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To: Iscool; SWAMPSNIPER
they refuse to let Australian citizens defend themselves.

From these reports, this man died defending himself.

I think Australia's gun laws are a travesty and I think SWAMPSNIPER is on the money when a few posts after yours, he refers to 'effective self defense' because a gun in the right hands makes it a lot easier to defend against a gun in the wrong hands - but, please, don't make the mistake of assuming being unarmed, means a person doesn't have the right to defend themselves. Mr Johnson did have that right under Australian law, under common law. He may not have had the means, but he had the right.

And as there are people who would like even that right taken away, I think the distinction is important.

29 posted on 12/15/2014 3:31:44 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975

Are you conversant with gun laws in NZ? A friend there says he may own a gun, but cannot use it in self-defense. That sounds crazy.


32 posted on 12/15/2014 3:34:43 PM PST by reformedliberal
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To: naturalman1975

Without the means the right is nothing but empty rhetoric.


36 posted on 12/15/2014 3:41:48 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not A Matter of Opinion)
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To: naturalman1975
He may not have had the means, but he had the right.

How can you have the right if they refuse you access to the means???

68 posted on 12/15/2014 5:34:25 PM PST by Iscool (e)
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