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The CIA Smacked Around A Few Terrorists. So What?
Townhall.com ^ | December 14, 2014 | John Nantz

Posted on 12/14/2014 5:48:38 AM PST by Kaslin

Democrats are always on dubious ground whenever they use the word "stain." However, that didn't deter Senator Diane Feinstein from describing the Central Intelligence Agency’s (CIA) efforts to tease valuable information out of mass murdering jihadists as "a stain on American values and history." The CIA's enhanced interrogation program was a tease in comparison to the prehistoric barbarity of Islamic jihadists and in comparison to the horrors of actual battle.

Review the footage from the Twin Towers on that infamous day. American citizens, real people, with wives, husbands, and children threw themselves, in desperation, out of the inferno to be shattered to splinters on the sidewalk below. Any one of them would trade places with Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Abu Zubaydah, or Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, who got a little water splashed in their faces. They were none the worse for wear while three thousand Americans died in very unpleasant ways on September 11th. The real stain, aside from Bill Clinton's infamous blot, is the impolite streak that the last six years of the Obama administration has left in Uncle Sam's skivvies.

Last Tuesday, December 9, the Democrats scurried to the prefabricated-crisis-cabinet and shattered the glass. Feinstein dusted off the Senate Intelligence Committee Report on Torture and spoon fed it into the thick, open mouths of the infantile mainstream media. Once properly fed, the toady media dutifully excreted the undigested, foul report and stained every available medium with the baseless political tract. Feinstein wasted no time in assuming center stage in the democrat theatre of the absurd. In politics timing is everything and the release of the report was timed, not so coincidentally, with the Gruber hearings.

Gruber must certainly be classified as a stain. Obamacare is an absurdity perpetrated on the American people by an administration occupied by immoral political autocrats bent upon subjugating the American people beneath the harness of a socialist economic tyranny, managed by a sneering plutocracy. Gruber's comments about Americans being stupid is a universally held belief among members of the Democrat party. Obama, Holder, Pelosi, Reid, Feinstein, Gruber they all think that hard working, responsible, taxpaying Americans are really stupid. That's why Obama spends so much time on the golf course--because, he thinks, the American people are too stupid to see what's going on right in front of them. That’s why Nancy Pelosi felt empowered to make the absurd remark, “we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it.”To the liberal elite Americans are simply stupid sheeple in need of a enlightened shepherd. And, Obama is only too happy to gather his sanctimonious robes and hoist his imperious staff. However, the crushing defeat of Democrats in the mid-term elections seems to indicate that common sense America isn’t fooled by MIT or Harvard credentials.

The Obama administration's racism is a stain. A new report from the World Values Survey has concluded that America is one of the most racially tolerant countries in the world. Common sense America already knows that, but the constant drumbeat from the Obama administration is one of racial agitation. Obama said recently that racism “is something that is deeply rooted in our society.” What a calumny! What a shameful disgrace for an American president to indict the American people as racist. What colossal irony! Obama is half black, has enjoyed the highest stations of privilege that this country has to offer and all without ever having held a real job. The U.S. Attorney General is black. A Supreme Court justice is black. One of the wealthiest persons in the country is Oprah Winfrey, a black female. Our entertainment and sports industries are dominated by black Americans. After the civil rights act of 1964, affirmative action, and relentless efforts in both the media and in education to right past injustices and to incorporate a disenfranchised people, it is the most craven deceit to claim that all these efforts have been in vain and that the American people may still be dishonored by that spurious claim. Are there instances of racism? Absolutely, and one will find instances of that in any country, but in America to a far lesser degree. Is there institutional racism in this country? Absolutely not. It is without question a relic of the past, just as the founders intended. Why else would they pen a political document that contradicted the practice of slavery directly and unequivocally? Shame on Barack Hussein Obama and every other creature of the racism industry.

The CIA's use of the enhanced interrogation program was both a legitimate use of governmental power, was moral in its implementation, and was highly successful in producing actionable intelligence. Legitimate government derives its powers from God and exercises its power within Divinely prescribed spheres of authority. When human government attempts to expand its power beyond those devolved upon it by God it becomes oppressive and; therefore, illegitimate. The power of war and police powers are specifically addressed in the Bible. Romans 13: 3,4 states:

“For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Here, the Bible describes government’s legitimate exercise of military and police power. Government’s prime directive is to encourage the good (as defined Biblically)—to pursue it and foster its growth throughout all of the body politic. In this environment the civil society flourishes. If government becomes a “terror”to good works it is no longer a Divinely sanctioned “power.”However, government is charged with God’s authority to “execute wrath”specifically on “him that doeth evil.”In fact, just governments must instill fear in those who practice evil.

The power of the sword is the power of life and death. In moral terms, conducting enhanced interrogation techniques that don’t result in death, but leave the subject of these techniques relatively unharmed, fall well within a legitimate government’s proper authority. Moreover, subjecting a terrorist to techniques specifically designed to elicit fear, pain, and anxiety fall explicitly within the Biblical boundaries, “But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid.”

Governments fail at social justice, social welfare, and social engineering because these are beyond the scope of human government as defined Biblically. But, this is precisely why government is generally successful in prosecuting war and in providing police services.

Liberals would have Americans believe that the CIA held terrorists down and extracted their fingernails with a rusty pair of pliers. Even if they had, so what? War is a hellish business because it is a human product. Brutality is a necessary component of waging war and the brutality of evil must be met by rugged men of remorseless conviction. The CIA’s interrogation techniques are positively genteel in comparison to the beheadings, stonings, and live burials perpetrated by the enemy. The hypocritical Obama administration rains down hellfire missiles in torrents, blasting people into dismembered fragments and nary a sniff is heard from the fawning, monolithic media. The men and women of the CIA are busy about saving a noble republic from the barbarians at the gate. And, they’re doing it with God’s blessing.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: California; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: california; cia; diannefeinstein; terrorism; waterboarding
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1 posted on 12/14/2014 5:48:39 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
While I'm not dismissing the techniques used by the US, I wonder if our enemies posted "we just smacked a few around" what our response would be.

I realize that certain of our enemies have gone WAY beyond smacking around. That's not the point. So don't go there. The point is if they had never gone beyond smacking around would that be ok with the people of the US to use those types of measures that were used by us as the enemy sought to gain information from us.

2 posted on 12/14/2014 5:59:10 AM PST by joesbucks
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To: Kaslin

So if torture is just A-OK, how long does it take us to descend down the slippery slope to sawing off heads? If killing people accidentally while torturing them for information or just because is just peachy keen, where to draw the line............decisions, decisions.

Answer: We are the good guys and we better act like it.


3 posted on 12/14/2014 6:03:33 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Kaslin
" The CIA’s interrogation techniques are positively genteel in comparison to the beheadings, stonings, and live burials perpetrated by the enemy. The hypocritical Obama administration rains down hellfire missiles in torrents, blasting people into dismembered fragments and nary a sniff is heard from the fawning, monolithic media."

--great quote. Nearly all of the so-called "victims" of purported CIA "torture" are still alive , (unless killed in combat against US forces)--

--wonder if a few years from now any organization will be investigating and threatening THE ONE with "war crimes" for the drone program?

"I'm getting pretty good at this killing people" per NYT article on the Obama "darkened room"--

4 posted on 12/14/2014 6:10:59 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: Kaslin
In debauched minds it is fine for our young, once potentially unifying President to boast, "I'm pretty good at killing" while speaking of his own secret kill list, but all hell breaks loose if America's expert and experienced CIA keeps known terrorists up at night for questioning, plays annoying music to get the evil ones' attention, and considers whatever else necessary to keep us safe. (Yuck it up much, Nobel Peacenik President?) From the cozy confines of the White House he blusters a willingness to assassinate whomever he chooses, no need for judicial balance or seasoned military brass strategy – in fact the Community Organizer canned nearly 200 of our top military officials. And leftist response to their leader's suspiciously opaque drone game plan? Crickets.
5 posted on 12/14/2014 6:12:25 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Kaslin

It’s not torture if they can walk away


6 posted on 12/14/2014 6:12:44 AM PST by goodnesswins (whats a Grubercat? A stupid Democrat)
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To: yldstrk
If killing people accidentally while torturing them for information or just because is just peachy keen, where to draw the line

I understand what you are saying. What I don't understand is why those who think that is wrong also think we should just turn the whole Middle East into a glass parking lot.

IT seems really contradictory.

7 posted on 12/14/2014 6:13:53 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: goodnesswins

Exactly


8 posted on 12/14/2014 6:14:54 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: goodnesswins

We let ‘em keep their heads. Mistake?


9 posted on 12/14/2014 6:21:18 AM PST by Straight8
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To: yldstrk
Answer: We are the good guys and we better act like it.

They are the bad guys and don't deserve better.

10 posted on 12/14/2014 6:28:17 AM PST by depressed in 06 (America conceived in liberty, dies in slavery.)
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To: UCANSEE2

It’s one thing to torture the bad guys, it’s another to bomb them in a war.


11 posted on 12/14/2014 6:29:32 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: depressed in 06

They don’t deserve better, you are right, but we need to keep our decency.


12 posted on 12/14/2014 6:30:35 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

When they ‘torture’ the bad guys they only affect the ‘bad guys’.

When they bomb them in a war, they kill uninvolved citizens including women and children.

How is that better ?


13 posted on 12/14/2014 6:34:12 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: yldstrk
So you prefer killing them with a Hellfire from a drone up their ass than some waterboarding?
14 posted on 12/14/2014 6:35:11 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: joesbucks
I wonder if our enemies posted "we just smacked a few around" what our response would be

That's a fair question. It's not the determining question. But it is a fair question.

15 posted on 12/14/2014 6:36:14 AM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: UCANSEE2

Yeah, you got me. But that’s the way it is.


16 posted on 12/14/2014 6:37:54 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: mad_as_he$$

yep, the torture is gratuitous, not worthwhile. Eliminating an enemy, that’s ok.


17 posted on 12/14/2014 6:38:58 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk
You are wrong about “torture”. I have witnessed real torture and it works. Some waterboarding, loud music and sleep deprivation is not torture.

What if you killed the only person that could of told you when the attack on your family is going to happen and how it was to be done?

Dick Cheney says that enhanced techniques lead to actionable intel? Are you calling him a liar?

18 posted on 12/14/2014 6:48:12 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: mad_as_he$$

Loud music, bright lights, isolation, sleep deprivation, no problem. Waterboarding, problem.


19 posted on 12/14/2014 6:49:44 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk
Answer: We are the good guys and we better act like it.

You're an idiot.

20 posted on 12/14/2014 6:51:22 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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