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F-35, competitors equally capable for most missions: report (Canada)
Ottawa Citizen ^ | 12.10.2014 | LEE BERTHIAUME

Posted on 12/10/2014 6:52:02 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki

A highly-anticipated, government-commissioned report on the F-35 and its competitors shows little difference between the four warplanes when it comes to the vast majority of missions they will be required to perform.

The only major exception is fighting against another country, though the report says such an event is “highly unlikely” to occur in the future, and even then, “the government is not obliged to undertake such a mission.”

The findings are expected to set off another round of bitter debate in the House of Commons and defence circles over whether the government should move ahead with purchasing the F-35.

In particular, critics will likely hold the report up as proof the F-35 isn’t the only aircraft that can meet Canada’s needs, and that a fair and open competition is the only way to ensure the best plane at the best price.

Tabled in the House of Commons on Wednesday, the report represents the culmination of the Conservative government’s F-35 “reset” after Auditor General Michael Ferguson blasted its handling of the stealth fighter project nearly three years ago.

Overseen by an independent panel of experts, defence officials spent a year re-examining the F-35 as well as the Eurofighter Typhoon, Dassault Rafale and Boeing Super Hornet to determine if the aircraft could adequately replace the military’s aging CF-18s.

Two versions of the report were produced, one for the government that provides a detailed breakdown of the warplanes’ capabilities, and the public version released Wednesday that removed commercially sensitive information.

The report identifies six missions Canada’s next fighter jet will be expected to fulfil. Those include defending Canadian airspace, participating in a Libya-style bombing mission, responding to a terrorist attack, and assisting in a humanitarian emergency or natural disaster.

However, the report says historically, domestic and North American missions have accounted for at least 90 per cent of the work done by Canadian fighter jets.

“Moreover, 80 per cent of the missions flown by the fleet have related to the ability to protect Canadian air space from intrusion,” it adds. “This function is projected to continue to be the most important role of the Canadian fighter capability.”

The report shows all four aircraft were capable of protecting Canadian airspace and performing four of the other missions with minimal risk. “This was due to the fact that most of these missions involve relatively low level of threat and are less onerous for fighter aircraft,” the report says.

The exception was war with another country, where some of the aircraft were at greater risk than others “due to the higher level of potential threat confronting fighter aircraft in that mission,” the report says. There are also concerns about countries rolling out new high-tech defences.

The report does not specifically identify which of the four fighter jets is best or worst, only that at least one of the planes would face significant risks in fighting another country in the 2020-2030 timeframe, and at least one would face high risks beyond 2030.

F-35 proponents, including the Conservative government and defence officials, have suggested it is the only fighter capable of countering the threat posed by advanced militaries because of its stealth characteristics.

Yet the report also says that “Canadian engagement in future state-on-state conflicts will be highly unlikely” and the more probable scenario is a combination of warfare and humanitarian assistance, as is happening in Iraq.

At the same time, the report notes that, unlike protecting Canadian air space, the government can pick and choose whether it wants to participate in foreign military interventions, with one factor being whether the new fighter jets are equipped for the mission.

France-based Dassault, which produces the Rafale, released a statement late Wednesday welcoming the report, which it says shows “that all fighter aircraft evaluated can meet the RCAF missions and deliver strong economic benefits to Canada.”

“Clearly the only way for Canada to move forward with selecting a new fighter aircraft is with a full, open and transparent competition,” it added.

The Conservative government, which has had the report since April, has refused to say whether it plans to move ahead with buying the F-35 or hold an open competition. Most analysts don’t expect a decision until after next year’s federal election.

Instead, the government has ordered the CF-18s to be upgraded to operate through 2025. The government has refused to say how much that upgrade will cost, but the report puts the cost at $400 million.

Meanwhile, a separate Industry Canada report also tabled Wednesday says the four companies had all laid out plans for bolstering the Canadian economy with jobs and other benefits should their aircraft be chosen to replace the CF-18.

“All companies demonstrated in their submissions that their previous experience working with offset programs in Canada and abroad would allow them to successfully provide benefits to Canada,” the report reads.

The Citizen reported Tuesday that a separate National Defence report showed that while officials still expect Canada to pay about $46 billion to own and operate 65 F-35s through 2052, the cost of the aircraft is continuing to rise.

Specifically, National Defence now has only $76 million in wiggle room for purchasing 65 F-35s within the Conservative government’s self-imposed $9-billion budget envelope as the price of buying the warplanes rose $266 million, or three per cent.

Defence officials estimate they will actually need more than $1 billion in contingency funds to protect against the effects of a weaker Canadian dollar, inflation and other countries cutting back on how many planes they purchase.


TOPICS: Canada; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; canada; f35; rcaf

1 posted on 12/10/2014 6:52:02 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Quite a few other nations already have F-35s (especially some of those near Russia), and some of those nations are manufacturing. The enemy cannot hit what he cannot see.


2 posted on 12/10/2014 6:57:55 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The F-22 is old and promiscuous. The F-35 is not.


3 posted on 12/10/2014 7:00:07 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Nice chart!


4 posted on 12/10/2014 7:00:41 PM PST by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. Its agents and supporters are Traitors.)
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To: Dagnabitt

So, Have a shot Off.


5 posted on 12/10/2014 7:02:03 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Today’s rant against the f-35, I see.


6 posted on 12/10/2014 7:31:49 PM PST by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: sukhoi-30mki; blueyon; KitJ; T Minus Four; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ab01; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; ...

Active Duty ping.


7 posted on 12/10/2014 7:34:49 PM PST by Jet Jaguar (Resist in place.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Farnborough Airshow 2014: F-35 Test Pilot Interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFZ0bbLIcQg


8 posted on 12/10/2014 7:54:00 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
F-35 Helmet Display System
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0btzIvlScI


9 posted on 12/10/2014 8:01:28 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

F-35 cannot fly until the fuel is just right....
Should be called the F-35 Pooh


10 posted on 12/10/2014 8:58:53 PM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: familyop
Get a Pilot's Eye View of the F-35 Head-Up Display - AINtv
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay6g66FbkmQ


11 posted on 12/10/2014 9:47:51 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
The only major exception is fighting against another country, though the report says such an event is “highly unlikely” to occur in the future, and even then, “the government is not obliged to undertake such a mission.”

Now that right there is one of the stupidest things I ever read. What in the heck good is a fighter plane except to use to fight another country? And if you're not "obliged to undertake such a mission," why spend all that money on a military in the first place. Just surrender immediately to the first aggressor that comes along.

Anybody want a big country? It's free!

12 posted on 12/10/2014 9:55:45 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: minnesota_bound
Здравствуйте! They may be in any one of many scenic places near you.

The AMAZING F-35B Lightning II - 2014 MCAS Cherry Point Air Show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRGHXjF4BcY


13 posted on 12/10/2014 10:10:14 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

its absurd how expensive f35 have become. It was surpose to be a cheaper/smaller version of f22, now its more expensive. Personally, I favor us getting the super hornet.


14 posted on 12/10/2014 10:29:26 PM PST by 4rcane
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To: JohnBrowdie

Maybe the Mig 35 might be a good fit for Canada—if the Russians will sell them. Cheaper too. the European Tornado looks good—so does the Grippen.


15 posted on 12/10/2014 11:33:14 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
"[...] and at least one would face high risks beyond 2030."

Beyond 2030 nearly everybody has better radar. Then the trick to hide a bad aircraft won't work any longer.
16 posted on 12/11/2014 12:23:44 AM PST by MHalblaub ("Easy my friends, when it comes to the point it is only a drawing made by a non believing Dane...")
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To: 4rcane

Yup, I say we go with the Super Hornet too. It’s a familiar airframe and will require minimal re-training for ground crews and pilots.


17 posted on 12/11/2014 4:11:13 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: sukhoi-30mki

How is the F-22 a potential option?


18 posted on 12/11/2014 5:12:10 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: 4rcane

You would do well to engage in some research about the costs...they have been and continue to come down.

And no, it was never designed to be a “cheaper/smaller version of the f22”. Two separate and distinct missions and requirements are so vastly different.

I really tire of this droll, overused and completely absurd comparison, much like the chart...the F35 is PRIMARILY a STRIKE aircraft, not solely a “fighter”.

Damn, when will all of these so-called, self-proclaimed resident FR aviation “experts” finally decide to educate themselves? /rhetorical


19 posted on 12/11/2014 6:00:10 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: familyop

it may have issues that are best undocumented in the avpress. hard to believe that something far better isn’t in beta test.


20 posted on 12/11/2014 9:16:39 PM PST by RitchieAprile
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