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Sen. Ted Cruz: 'Torture is Wrong. Unambiguously. Period. The End.'
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| December 10, 2014
| Charlie Spiering
Posted on 12/10/2014 5:03:48 PM PST by Bettyprob
Texas Senator Ted Cruz is reminding Americans that no civilized nation should ever torture prisoners.
Torture is wrong, unambiguously. Period. The end. Civilized nations do not engage in torture and Congress has rightly acted to make absolutely clear that the United States will not engage in torture, Cruz said during the Q-and-A portion of a speech at the Heritage Foundation.
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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: cruz; senate; tedcruz; texas; torture
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To: mylife
Oh Noes! Now we cant support Ted! /sLOL! You nailed it.
There are many here, that just from this article, have made that decision and will stick by it; Cruz is unacceptable - they seem to have a death wish for the nation and are acting like the Congress as they make excuses for not taking positive action to salvage the Nation. If half of the "no way, Never, Ain't gonna happen" folks would actually take some positive actions instead of whining about never having just the right opportunity, we might make some actual progress.
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posted on
12/11/2014 4:23:39 AM PST
by
trebb
(Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
To: Bettyprob
“Torture is wrong.” - Ted Cruz
Thanks for reminding me of a great line, Ted. I needed a laugh.
Luther(Don Knotts)to the girl he has a crush on: I just love good food.
Girl: Me too!
Luther: Really? You know we’re a lot alike! My mother liked good food too....she always said, “I’d rather have good food than bad food any old day.”
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posted on
12/11/2014 4:26:16 AM PST
by
OkiMusashi
(Beware the fury of a patient man. --- John Dryden)
To: yldstrk
Waterboarding is wrong.So, you are saying water boarding 3 mass murderers to prevent more deaths of Americans, is wrong? Then Di Feinstein must be your hero!
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posted on
12/11/2014 5:04:18 AM PST
by
The_Media_never_lie
(The media must be defeated any way it can be done.)
To: yldstrk; tomkat; bobby.223; CatherineofAragon; central_va; Uncle Miltie; VanDeKoik; ansel12
yldstrk,
If you visit the Daily KOS or DU, you will find these exact same arguments presented by emotion driven leftists on multiple topics. Its used in an attempt to force otherwise right-minded people into admitting exceptions for aborting children, or some such nonsense
The argument always originates from impotent rage, and the tactic is always the same: Create a ridiculous and contrived scenario to force your opponent into admitting his alleged hypocrisy. Most of their posters follow the same template used here; casting themselves as the John McClane character in Die Hard, then indulging in a masturbatory fantasy about how flexible morality saves the world.
Dictionary.com defines wrong as follows: Wrong- unjust, dishonest, or immoral. This isnt ambiguous.
The other argument weve seen is that Were the good guys and theyre bad guys, so its necessary. While I might initially support this argument, its important to remember WHY were the good guys. Its because we admit that there are moral absolutes, and live by them. Its because we choose to do whats right even if its the hard choice. The jihadis themselves also use moral ambiguity as a recruiting tool to radicalize otherwise previously sane people.
This impotent rage, this they do it too mentality, this anything goes as long as I dont suffer any short term losses attitude, is what kills great nations, great peoples, or great movements.
Dead leftist author and cynic Ambrose Bierce, in his Devils Dictionary defines IMMORAL, adj. Inexpedient. Maybe that definition appeals to the weak among us. The problem with it always comes down to Inexpedient for whom? Sort of like how the definition of torture changes when its you that its applied to.
I doubt very seriously that any of the amateur Tom Clancys in this thread have ever been exposed to actual torture, or would have the stomach to apply real torture under any circumstances
Thats all just forum posturing.
You apparently understand that the meaning of the word wrong is not on a sliding scale based on a particular situation, or on whos side of the argument it supports. You can share my bunker and provisions. OTOH, some of these supposed conservatives bear close watching.
Ted Cruz gets it. As a nation we must stick to morality in the face of incomprehensible evil, because thats the only way it can be defeated. Anything less is simply feeding the evil what it thrives and grows on.
I personally am a thoroughly broken vessel, whos only hope is in the indescribable mercy and grace of almighty God, as expressed through the resurrected and living Word. Im not a nation-state, or a serving congressman, therefore what I personally might do to rescue a loved one has not one damned thing to do with this discussion.
For that reason, and for the sake of clarity; the only way tomkat, bobby.223, CatherineofAragon, central_va, and Uncle Miltie can ever know the answers to their impertinent and contrived questions is this: Let me discover that youve taken one of my loved ones hostage and youll find out.
From the point of view of national policy, Cruz' position is unassailable, conservative, and American.
To: The_Media_never_lie
I do not like this Democratic regime. I also do not condone torture including waterboarding under any circumstances. In case those of you still cheerleading for waterboarding and worse haven’t gotten through your thick skulls, these methods do not “work”. Nothing of any value was gained and the operatives turned into worse excuses for human beings and Americans than when they started. The release of this damning report may well have been political, but it has been a long time coming.
In the past, our decent treatment of combatants and noncombatants that fell into American hands was our protection, such as it was. That protection is now gone. The damage this wrongheaded, depraved policy has done to this country and its moral fiber is incalculable.
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posted on
12/11/2014 5:13:10 AM PST
by
yldstrk
(My heroes have always been cowboys)
To: Hugh the Scot
Yes, Hugh the Scot, I do understand moral absolutes and torture, including waterboarding, is wrong. I would be proud to share a bunker with you and thank you for the message.
Thank you also for clearly and lucidly stating your arguments and identifying the weaknesses in the arguments of your challengers.
It is never easy swimming against the tide of lemming thought, but it is necessary.
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posted on
12/11/2014 5:20:06 AM PST
by
yldstrk
(My heroes have always been cowboys)
To: Hugh the Scot
Again you miss the point of how captured SOLDIERS are treated verses captured “enemy combatants” which means terrorist in this case. You are either stupid or have a mental fixation issue. I do not believe anyone torturing or killing a terrorists has to fear judgment from either man nor God. That is my opinion and I am sticking to it. I do not think Our Maker intended for us to walk around on this Earth to be cattle slaughtered by the unbelieving heathen at their will. So keep mooo mooo moooing your way thru life - loser.
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posted on
12/11/2014 5:20:57 AM PST
by
central_va
(I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
To: yldstrk
In the past, our decent treatment of combatants and noncombatants that fell into American hands was our protection, such as it was. That protection is now gone. The damage this wrongheaded, depraved policy has done to this country and its moral fiber is incalculable.I respect your idealistic opinions, and you have every right to them. But you are sadly misinformed.
Read about how the Americans treated prisoners on the islands in Asia while fighting the fanatic Bushido warrior cult Japanese. Read about how the Japanese treated American POWs. If our prisoners were better treated, I feel sure that theirs would have faced better treatment. I do not blame the American soldiers at all; they did what they had to do.
Please read history, my kind friend, and then develop your opinion. Don't think with your emotions.
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posted on
12/11/2014 6:19:02 AM PST
by
The_Media_never_lie
(The media must be defeated any way it can be done.)
To: The_Media_never_lie
We are the good guys, therefore we act like it whether the other side does or not
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posted on
12/11/2014 6:20:28 AM PST
by
yldstrk
(My heroes have always been cowboys)
To: The_Media_never_lie
Oh by the way, I do not think with my emotions. I follow the narrow road. I will never be a torturer, you would have to kill me first. I expect Americans to live up to the highest ideals. I know many don’t, but they should.
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posted on
12/11/2014 6:22:00 AM PST
by
yldstrk
(My heroes have always been cowboys)
To: P-Marlowe
I believe I answered that in the last line of my original post. Read the whole thing again.
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posted on
12/11/2014 6:33:55 AM PST
by
The_Reader_David
(And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
To: bobby.223
Anyone who has one of my loved ones being held hostage with the the real threat of death hanging over them has forfeited their lives...how their lives end is dependent on how quickly they decide to give the information required to save my loved one.
There is a rubicon and terrorists have crossed that rubicon...they get no compassion or quarter from me.
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posted on
12/11/2014 6:41:11 AM PST
by
SZonian
(Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
To: central_va
Personal attacks are always more persuasive than actually supporting your argument, don't you think? /s
I'm under no obligation to confine my thoughts to your narrow field of view, as you are under no obligation to change your opinion.
You're the one who is forced to mischaracterize the arguements of others and hurl insults because there are a few here who refuse to be cowed by your shouting.
To: bobby.223; Hugh the Scot; Windflier; DuncanWaring; eartick; wku man
You fight fire with fire, and you fight to win.
Or - you go home and sit and wait for the animals - that have declared holy war on you, by the way - to come into your country, detonate a bomb in your subway, stadium, or, oh, I don’t know, do something like fly airliners into skyscrapers, or blow up a marathon (Nah... that could NEVER happen!).
So if putting underwear on Achmed’s head, and dunking his face in ice water saves one American kid’s life, well, to me that’s a no-brainer.
How did Orwell put it - people sleep soundly in their beds only because OTHER people are ready to do violence on their behalf?
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posted on
12/11/2014 7:08:38 AM PST
by
NFHale
(The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
To: Bettyprob
For those who support torture, remember that sooner or later they will use it on the domestic population.
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posted on
12/11/2014 7:23:33 AM PST
by
redgolum
("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
To: dforest
Making that remark is a mistake. Cruz does not have to say anything. It looks like pandering.
If he is running for Prez, he needs to be very careful before he jumpz on the media dem bandwagon regarding a totally partisan report.
____________________________________________________________
At his core, Cruz is no different than any other “elected official”.
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posted on
12/11/2014 7:27:18 AM PST
by
AFret.
To: NFHale
You'll get no argument from me. I've certainly not made any statements supporting the treating of islamic terrorists with kindness and care. I'm all for killing them. My position has been and continues to be that of Ted Cruz' statement. We don't torture.
That makes some people mad, and confuses some others... What can you do?
yldstrk (I assume) and I will hold to our beliefs, based on what we perceive to be moral and right, no matter how many Freepers respond with the well considered and lucid argument that "Hugh is a doodie head".
To: redgolum
To: ansel12
Bull, Cruz never just "says things", and he didn't this time. Most people do; and it would be absolutely foolish to think that things couldn't be edited to make things seem different than what they were.
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posted on
12/11/2014 7:51:27 AM PST
by
OneWingedShark
(Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
To: Hugh the Scot; bobby.223
Not calling you a “doodie head”, brother. You’re entitled to your belief, opinion, etc.
Was simply stating mine in response to a ping from my Dawg Pound brother.
I think what’s really at issue is the definition of what torture is and isn’t.
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posted on
12/11/2014 7:55:55 AM PST
by
NFHale
(The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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