Posted on 12/06/2014 5:21:02 AM PST by Red in Blue PA
America's oldest gun manufacturer, Remington, has agreed to replace millions of triggers in its most popular product—the Model 700 rifle. The company has been riddled for years with claims the gun can fire without the trigger being pulled, often with deadly results.
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Congrats!
You can also fix it yourself and it’s not that expensive.
This is what I do to all my rifles.
http://www.timneytriggers.com/shop/timney-remington-700-replacement-trigger.aspx
A buddy of mine sent in two to get fixed. It’s real.
that’s why I prefer Rugers.
125 reported incidents out of 20,000,000 firearms using the Remington common fire control group works out to .000625%. It doesn’t seem like much of an issue with the fire control group to me. I would jump at the chance to buy anything that had a .000625% chance of failing.
Bttt
“Reported incidents”. There were many unofficial reports made directly to Remington, myself included. I had a Sendero 300WM with factory settings on the trigger that would fire when the bolt closed or the safety was released. Nothing “official” about my report, just a factory rep.
“I would jump at the chance to buy anything that had a .000625% chance of failing.”
How about if you chose 1 in 10,000 people that claimed to have a malfunctioning rifle to be pointed at your head and the bolt closed on a live round? Would THAT be an acceptable failure rate then? Of course not. Any idiot that know failure rates knows officially reported incidents are usually just the tip of the iceberg of actual failures.
“I think what has suddenly brought the Remington 700 trigger into the limelight is our litigious society. In other words, Remington and its parent company have deep pockets, and hordess of immoral lawyers are willing to steal by litigation or threat thereof.”
http://www.gunblast.com/Remington-Trigger.htm
“They include the death in 2000 of nine-year-old Gus Barber of Manhattan, Montana, who was killed on a family hunting trip when his mother’s Remington 700 went off as she was unloading it. Barbara Barber has said she is certain her hand was nowhere near the trigger.”
Yeah, and no grieving mother would ever adjust her memories to remove her blame in pointing a loaded weapon at her son & killing him.
“How about if you chose 1 in 10,000 people that claimed to have a malfunctioning rifle to be pointed at your head and the bolt closed on a live round?”
Speaking for myself, I’m not big on ANYONE pointed a loaded gun at my head. That is darn near just cause to drop, draw and shoot in response.
To answer your question, no, I would not want a known defective, loaded gun pointed at my head. Nobody I know would want any firearm ever pointed at their head. That question struck me as needlessly offensive. I was just making the point that the failure rate is actually extremely low. I am sure it does not seem low if you are one of the people who got one of those guns, but to me it seems very low. Even if there are 100 times the actual failures as reported, it is still low. I wish all the stuff I bought had a failure rate that low. I think it will be hard for them to come up with something better. I do hope the Remington fix for this issue has a better failure rate than the issue it is fixing. I wonder what the rate on other popular weapons is? I have seen and heard a few NDs in my time around military camps but they never take the possibility of equipment failure into account when dealing with the responsible individual.
“That question struck me as needlessly offensive. I was just making the point that the failure rate is actually extremely low.”
I find it offensive that you would say to those that have died due to a bad trigger design that their loss is acceptable because it is a “low” failure rate.
The fact is, and I say this again, it isn’t the 120 or so “reported” failures, it is the massive outpouring of complaints they have received about trigger failures, and it isn’t low. It is inherent in every single trigger. Some experienced a failure and others were simply lucky not to have. The trigger has a significant flaw in its design. It doesn’t matter if everyone experienced it failing or not.
Whatever.
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