Posted on 12/06/2014 5:21:02 AM PST by Red in Blue PA
America's oldest gun manufacturer, Remington, has agreed to replace millions of triggers in its most popular product—the Model 700 rifle. The company has been riddled for years with claims the gun can fire without the trigger being pulled, often with deadly results.
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Total crap. It’s more of the anti gun movement making a case for “guns are dangerous” and, just like they made a case for the tobacco companies conspiring to withhold information from consumers (even after the 1965 decision to put warnings on packs of cigarettes), they are trying to do the same thing to Remington. Recall how every time someone is shot by a Glock the media harp on them not having safeties (yeah, I know, the trigger shoe thing, but we already know those get snagged in sweaters, pull cords and other dangly things which can make them fire), there’s nothing inherently hazardous about the Glock trigger but the media will have you believing that, and, eventually a jury and good bye Glock. And Remington, and once the precedent’s set, goodbye firearms industry.
Remington triggers are solid. Some of the best on the market. Readily amenable to adjusting for weight, a cleaner break and no overtravel, they often outlast the barrel/life of the gun.
I’ve put tens of thousands of rounds through the old style triggers, had several of them adjusted by reputable gunsmiths and have never had a problem with them, nor have any of the hundreds of shooters I’ve known who have used them for decades as sport shooters, hunters, snipers, tactical marksman.
Yeah, for many reasons some shooters replace them with after market triggers costing hundreds of dollars more, but it’s a choice, not a necessity. Well, except maybe for the X-mark triggers, they just don’t feel right with the smooth/curved trigger.
This is a total snow job.
I bought a “new” 20 year old 700 in 30.06 this year. It had never been fired. It’s as accurate as I am. My only complaint about the trigger is that I wish it was a little lighter. I don’t know if sitting in a closet for 20 years has anything to do with it or not. I haven’t taken the trigger assembly apart to clean it.
Say what you will, but no one would have been shot if the rifle had not been pointing at them.
Never point your firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy.
I'm sorry, but when the engineer that patented this trigger system tells Remington it could be unsafe...Remington should've listened & acted to remedy the problem. Not ignore the problem.
When..."Subsequent memos during the testing process noted guns could be made to fire simply by switching off the safety or operating the bolt. "This situation can be very dangerous from a safety and functional point of view," said a 1947 inspection report."...
...it's just the height of arrogance, willful misrepresentation and criminal neglect to say...
"The Model 700, including its trigger mechanism, has been free of any defect since it was first produced," Remington told CNBC in 2010."
Company officer's (past & present) should go to jail.
“Never point your firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy.”
Absolute NUMBER ONE safety rule.
But, there are (always will be) idiots out there. How many times have you seen someone in a gun store “sweep” the crowd while considering a purchase? Or, even at a range. I’ve personally grabbed barrels or blocked people’s arms as they turned. (I don’t have the luxury of a private range.)
Remington has certainly had quality issues as of late and while fine for the average Joe, I think serious hunters consider them as donors for a correct build. The POS X Mark is the first thing to go easily replaced with a Timney. Next is the injection molded stock. If lucky the barrel is fine, if not then you basically bought the rifle for the action and could have done better buying something else from the start.
Your reference refers only to the XMP triggers - a relatively new option. The 700 trigger apparently goes back to the original 721 design. That the agreement covers more than just the 700 rifles (including the 600 and derivations thereof) is a new twist to the story.
That said, the deaths and injuries can always be attributed to poor firearm handling and/or ignorance of firearm safety.
If the sear could be adjusted to produce a dangerous situation, the design could be a contributor to the problem. Anyone adjusting a trigger needs to fully understand the process and insure that the final result is safe.
Real insofar as there is a debatable mechanical design issue.
Dangerous insofar as idiots fiddling with loaded guns while pointing them at other people cash and did cause grave harm.
Political insofar as they scream bloody murder about anything which can be construed as remotely risky about dangerous objects.
Remington is doing this just to make the issue go away.
Finally a recall after how many people have died. We know two people who had unintentional discharges from 700’s in the past couple of years.
Ruger recalled the P85 for a problem on the safety and there had only been 6 incidents. I sent mine in and they replaced the firing pin, safety, reconditioned the weapon and sent it back with a new magazine. That’s integrity.
The “problem” appears to be in the space between the trigger and connector which affected its relationship with the sear that sometimes would allow a rifle to fire on opening or closing the bolt or if the loaded rifle is dropped or jostled.
Bought my 700 in 1971. Never had a problem with it. From the link, it is not on the recall list.
*** My only complaint about the trigger is that I wish it was a little lighter.***
Mine, bought in 1971, has a very light trigger. I believe all triggers were made heavier about 30 years ago after the anti-gunners started screaming about anything they could find.
My SAVAGE, on the other hand, bought about 10 years ago needed work. Too much creep and heavy pull.
Once I sighted in my Remington and .303 Jungle carbine I used to have.
The lock time on the .303 was terrible as was the trigger.
***Ruger recalled the P85***
Ruger still has a recall on all their three screw Blackhawk pistols from 45 years ago.
I remember the incident that started the recall. A man got out of his truck with a .44 Mag Blackhawk, it fell out of the holdster and hit the ground on the hammer with the barrel pointing up, fired the cartridge in the cylinder and went through the man’s heart.
That is why the old timers always carried the hammer down on an empty cylinder.
My brother has a left hand 7mm model 700. We took it to the range when he got it and it fired intermittently as the bolt was closed. Scared the you know what out of us the first time. We kept it pointed down range and cycled a few more rounds. Some cycled fine but a couple more fired upon closing the bolt. We went home and I tore it down and found out the trigger was set so low as to be a literal hair trigger. I adjusted it back to what seemed a safe setting. I wonder if they can “unadjusted” themselves. I’ll let him know, though, that he can get a free fix.
Lol! Exactly...
Yes they can.
I had a 700 purchased new about 1990. After firing about 5 rounds though it the trigger pull was right back to it's creepy & slack self.
In addition if adjusted to a 3 pound trigger pull it could wind up firing when the bolt was closed or when the safety was released.
Replacing the factory trigger with a Timney Trigger fixed those problems.
Next time, you’ll learn to secure the rifle in the boat before heading out.
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