Garner’s pleas suggest that the police used excessive force
I have to reject that. People who are choking cannot talk. Garner spoke repeatedly, saying he couldn't breathe. To me, he was giving evidence that he was breathing.
I think we all know that cops are trained to say "I was in fear for my life" -- that can justify almost any shooting.
Well, crooks aren't dumb. If the crook wants you to get off him, he's apt to say "I can't breathe". That does not mean that he cannot breathe.
Lastly, Garner was an enormous individual. People like that should have an awareness of their situation -- if the cops are hassling you, you have 2 essential choices:
1) Drop to your knees, spread your arms and legs, go flat on the ground, and be ready to be handcuffed.
2) Resist.
There is not in-between option with a guy of that seize. If he's not being 100% submissive, then the cops are going to decide he's resisting. And that isn't going to go well.
if you watch the time stamp on the video, he was only choked from about the 39 second point to the 52 second or so point.
I’ve been thinking mostly the same. I’ll openly admit, I have issues with the methods used by police and have always noted they don’t seem to much care how much injury they are causing so I am somewhat biased, admittedly. Most times, pepper spray is just as effective. However, the “if you can talk, you can breath” is somewhat misleading. If your throat is closed off, you can’t speak obviously true. However, if you have a couple of 200 pound men with their knees in your back, you can’t inhale, but you can exhale and produce strained speech for a while. You may also be able to intake a small amount of air, but not enough to stay conscious for long. Your diaphragm simply isn’t strong enough to work against the weigh at a certain point. Granted, some sort of force was necessary in this case, but I do believe it was excessive... not counting the fact that this probably would NOT have killed a normal person, this guy had medical issues that more than likely added to enough to cause the death (just as pepper spray might have to be hones, asthma was a factor). I just don’t believe a knee to the back and a knee on someone’s head is proportional reaction at least until other methods have been exhausted and are no other choices. I mean really, how fast or far could this guy have ran?
Obama “this is an American issue”.
He attacks the legal process. He complained about Ferguson, mischaracterizing it and casting it in racial terms. He complained about the GJ decision there, calling protestors actions “understandable anger”... admonishing police, and thus legitimizing rioters. And now again here in NY he mouths off.
He attacks Congress’s authority, usurping it, and daring them to oppose him.
Obama is evil.
It looks like the hold put pressure on the carotid arteries on both sides of the neck while pushing his head forward, which restricted blood flow to the brain leading to unconsciousness.
The sensation he felt as he was passing out probably was a sensation of not being able to breathe.
Why is the NYPD enforcing tax law? This is small time stuff. Its all about the pennies the city would receive on the sale of untaxed cigarettes.
It boils down to $$$. Get stopped in NYC with a small amount of marijuana, you get a ticket.
>saying he couldn’t breathe
I think I read he had diabetes and athsma. Maybe he was having trouble breathing, but he could indeed talk so he wasn’t choking. Maybe he was having an athsma attack but again as you say:
< If the crook wants you to get off him, he’s apt to say “I can’t breathe”. That does not mean that he cannot breathe.
>>If he’s not being 100% submissive, then the cops are going to decide he’s resisting. And that isn’t going to go well.
“Resist We Much”