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Shocker: Top Google Engineers Say Renewable Energy ‘Simply won’t work’
Watts Up With That ^ | November 22, 2014 | Anthony Watts

Posted on 11/22/2014 11:38:11 AM PST by Vince Ferrer

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1 posted on 11/22/2014 11:38:11 AM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer

One more liberal myth blows up in their faces


2 posted on 11/22/2014 11:40:04 AM PST by Sasparilla
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To: Vince Ferrer

You’re average Joe knew that 6 years ago. Guess Google engineers aren’t all that good.


3 posted on 11/22/2014 11:40:15 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

This should come to no surprise to anyone who knows basic physics. To be usable, energy cannot be accumulated, it must be unleashed.

Looks like it is fusion or nothing.


4 posted on 11/22/2014 11:42:06 AM PST by freedumb2003 (obozocare: shovel-ready health care)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Solar is viable only on a personal basis when used with passive solar sun etc. When you get into those huge solar plants without engineers or solar experts to take care of what is being collected, it goes belly up. The wind turbines seem okay in small areas, but aren’t substantial for a whole grid to run off of.

Now, this was tried forty years ago and didn’t work either. Is it those who try to run it, or is it that it was meant for the private person, who can implement for personal use and has time to correct any ongoing issues?

Look at billions wasted by taxpayers on those solar companies now closed....of course the democrats got their donations from our money first.


5 posted on 11/22/2014 11:44:04 AM PST by Kackikat
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To: Vince Ferrer

Solar and such are compromises that are suitable for individuals off grid and military operations for the field, remote sites etc. and all kinds of better than nothings, but not for nations and cities.


6 posted on 11/22/2014 11:44:11 AM PST by ansel12
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To: Vince Ferrer

Well, you know the old saying........

“Horsepower is work, but torque is one of The MONKEES.”


7 posted on 11/22/2014 11:49:47 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: freedumb2003

Fusion or fission. The cost of permitting and the length of time to build facilities, leading to unacceptable IDC costs, are also problematic. There will be a day though, maybe not in our lifetimes.


8 posted on 11/22/2014 11:52:21 AM PST by quantumman
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To: Vince Ferrer
Coal, nuclear, natural gas, and oil.

Anything else is pixie dust.

9 posted on 11/22/2014 11:52:53 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (NO COMPROMISE! NO BIPARTISANSHIP! STOP OBAMA NOW!)
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To: Vince Ferrer

They started with the wrong idea: to provide *most* energy with renewable resources. The truth is that *some* renewable energy is fine and dandy, but only for *marginal* uses.

Most of the time, marginal uses are less valuable, because primary energy provision is more than adequate, and does a great job at low cost.

However, when there are *peaks* of energy consumption, renewable resources are quite handy. Oddly enough, mostly by making primary energy provision more efficient.


10 posted on 11/22/2014 11:53:13 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: Vince Ferrer

As an M.E., I’ve been saying for decades that widespread wind and solar are pipedreams. Sure, they have their niche, when ready or reliable infrastructure is unavailable. But the physical plant (both space and materials) to extract a low density energy source makes it highly impractical on a large scale.


11 posted on 11/22/2014 11:56:51 AM PST by XEHRpa
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To: Vince Ferrer

Solar energy. Our fair-weather friend.


12 posted on 11/22/2014 11:57:22 AM PST by omega4412
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"exotic innovations barely on the drawing board, such as self erecting wind turbines, using robotic technology to create new wind farms without human intervention. The result however was total failure – even these exotic possibilities couldn’t deliver the necessary economic model. "

Humans have largely abandoned wind energy except for recreational fun over the last few centuries.

13 posted on 11/22/2014 11:58:52 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: ansel12

You pretty much covered it.

There’s a place for it but not large scale.


14 posted on 11/22/2014 12:00:16 PM PST by IMR 4350
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A 2012 comprehensive life-cycle analysis in Journal of Industrial Ecology shows that almost half the lifetime carbon-dioxide emissions from an electric car come from the energy used to produce the car, especially the battery. The mining of lithium, for instance, is a less than green activity. By contrast, the manufacture of a gas-powered car accounts for 17% of its lifetime carbon-dioxide emissions. When an electric car rolls off the production line, it has already been responsible for 30,000 pounds of carbon-dioxide emission. The amount for making a conventional car: 14,000 pounds.

The production of the electric car results in sizeable emissions —the equivalent of 80,000 miles of travel in a typical gasoline powered vehicle.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324128504578346913994914472


15 posted on 11/22/2014 12:00:25 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Vince Ferrer
"I genuinely thought that we were maybe a few solar innovations and battery technology breakthroughs away from truly viable solar power. "

Batteries have severely underperformed for the last 100 years or so.

PV is cool modern tech though.

16 posted on 11/22/2014 12:01:02 PM PST by Paladin2
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Well, the glib answer is it’s too early to tell.

The real answer is just the name ‘renewable energy’ is a con. The law of thermodynamics tells us that no matter what, it’s going to cost you somewhere, and there will be waste in the form of heat, and as noted in the past, the mere construction of batteries, power conversion equipment are expensive and energy intensive themselves.

We are entering the phase of mass robotification. Very early mind you, but I can’t envision how much acceleration is behind that technology. Asteroid mining and orbital energy collectors have a lot of conceptual pressure, meaning at some point there will be breakout technology. It may be 10 years or 100 years but it will happen if we haven’t destroyed ourselves beforehand or neutered ourselves into a dead end society with socialism/communism. That breakthrough that propels us forward will undoubtedly be in energy generation/collecting.


17 posted on 11/22/2014 12:01:08 PM PST by Usagi_yo (Criticize, marginalize, demonize, criminalize.)
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To: Vince Ferrer
I must say I’m personally surprised at the conclusion of this study.

That's what happens when drinking Kool-Aid is mistaken for thought.

18 posted on 11/22/2014 12:07:47 PM PST by DakotaGator (Weep for the lost Republic! And keep your powder dry!!)
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To: driftdiver
Guess Google engineers aren’t all that good.

Just blinded by faith.

19 posted on 11/22/2014 12:09:10 PM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Also hydro. But then that resource is by definition limited and much of it has already been developed.


20 posted on 11/22/2014 12:09:20 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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