Posted on 11/22/2014 7:51:18 AM PST by Yashcheritsiy
On April 30, 1995, William S. Lind published an op ed in The Washington Post that foresaw a future breakup of the United States, driven by multiculturalism. The piece described not only America’s second civil war, but also a recovery of our traditional, Western, Christian culture. That cultural and moral recovery was led by a new country located in the northeast, which named itself Victoria because it had returned to Victorian values.
Mr. Lind’s op ed has since been turned into a book, Victoria: A Novel of Fourth Generation War, by “Thomas Hobbes,” the well-known theorist of the state and author of Leviathan.
(Excerpt) Read more at traditionalright.com ...
Inspired by this song, no doubt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2GHlcwlT1Y
“I think it is very, very important for us to internalize the concepts of 4th Generation Warfare...”
Thanks for the tip. 4GW looks like a thing worth investigating.
That stops it right there. The LAST place in the country that one would expect to return to conservative ideals would be the northeast with their nasty tyrannies where the second and fourth amendemnts are no longer in effect. And the people there want it that way. Unfortunately they're too stupid to realize their attitudes and voting patterns are what has screwed up the economy there, so off they go to places like the GA and Fl to ruin them too.
The LAST place in the country that one would expect to return to conservative ideals would be the northeast
Stopped me too...
Wow! Just spent some time glancing thru it. Great stuff, except for some major premises that I believe are wrong...
1. I do not expect to see a revitalized but traditional American culture happen in the Northeast. It just isn’t going to happen unless they kill most of the current inhabitants—which might be part of the book, but I didn’t see that. That part of the country just has too many Leftists and too many big cities. Not a good combination for traditional values.
2. The New South as a racial Hellhole. I’m sorry, the writer really doesn’t understand the Southern WHITE man. They will not put up with that $h1t. They are the traditional warriors of America (just look at military volunteer rolls for the past two centuries!) and do like a good fight, and will die before being insulted too much. The traditional Christian values that founded the country are still more present here (hence the nickname, “Bible Belt”) and this means that they will turn the other cheek, but to a point. Then the racial war the author writes about will begin, but the minority will lose, and lose totally. It might be an ugly piece of ethnic cleansing, but it will happen. So in the end, a visit to Atlanta will be far more pleasant for the protagonist.
I have often thought about this, because from a racial standpoint, I live right on the divide, with my county in Alabama being very white, and the next county over being about totally black. In a fight when all local authority is absent, I see the black county being invaded and an open season on anyone perceived as a thug. This is not just racial prejudice, but years of pent-up anger at being the constant scapegoats for the post Civil Rights era race-baiters. Jesse Jackson spit in their ice tea, and they haven’t forgotten. Payback will truly be a bitch. Meanwhile, the thugs that generally prey on each other for drugs and money will be slaughtered, without the veneer of law and order and Christian piety to hold the Good Ole Boys back.
I’m not suggesting such a thing should happen, but rather if it gets that far (from the author’s first section on the Dissolution of the USA), it WILL happen as I stated.
It is a fascinating book. I’ve been reading it for some time now. Put that in your database, Feds.
I too am in Alabama, in a majority-white county that borders a majority-black county, and I too am concerned about retribution in a civil war scenario. Chickens coming home to roost, like Obama’s “Reverend” said.
Seriously. Read the book, even if you don’t agree with all the premises that have been laid down to drive the plot (I don’t either). Don’t get hung up on trivialities, investigate it for the deeper concepts.
Well, like I said, I don’t necessarily agree with all the premises that drive the plot either. But we need to focus on the deeper concepts about 4GW that are outlines. That is the real value of this book, I believe.
Seriously. Read the book, even if you don’t agree with all the premises that have been laid down to drive the plot (I don’t either). Don’t get hung up on trivialities, investigate it for the deeper concepts.
Remember the Boston marathon bombing? Remember the citizens of Watertown MA cowering in their homes while paramilitary police rifled through the neighborhood? These people are typical north-easterners and although there are exceptions in the rural areas, for the most part they are incapable of acting responsibly and independently. Just look at who they send to congress.
When I think of these metrosexual effete types, I am reminded of the puny 5th century Romans in Italy running for cover as the roaming bands of barbarians raped & pillaged.
I think that the northeast can look forward to martial law and further oppression. Perhaps someday, they will invite UN troops in to carry out firearms confiscation.
Ping.
ping for later re-read
Seriously. Read the book, even if you don’t agree with all the premises that have been laid down to drive the plot (I don’t either). Don’t get hung up on trivialities, investigate it for the deeper concepts.
I thought the opening lines of the Preface was rather catchy:
“The triumph of the Recovery was marked most clearly by the burning of the Episcopal bishop of Maine.”
“She was not a particularly bad bishop. She was in fact typical of Episcopal bishops of the first quarter of the 21st century: agnostic, compulsively political and radical, and given to placing a small idol of Isis on the altar when she said the Communion service. By 2055, when she was tried for heresy, convicted, and burned, she had outlived her era. By that time only a handful of Episcopalians still recognized female clergy....”
Exactly. I wonder how many FReepers on here would have refused to turn in their AR-15s had they been under threat of felony prosecution for not doing so from a law enacted by their states?
The thing we need to keep in mind about the NE is that it appears to be so liberal (and is, in its voting patterns) because of the relative urbanization it has. Cities nearly always vote liberal because 1) they are cesspools of vice and filth, and 2) packing that many people in close together tends to make people less self-reliance and more dependent on government, for whatever reason you wish to assign to it. Ergo, all we hear about from Massachusetts are Boston and Worcester and Cambridge, but we never remember to take into account the 30-40% of people who consistently vote against the liberals, despite the strong social discouragement to do so.
Or what about Maine? ME-2 just went Teapublican, and they just re-elected Paul LePage - widely vilified as a radical right-wing fanatic Tea Partier - with 48% in a three-way race. That’s actually not bad at all.
I don’t think the NE will be the genesis of a new order for liberty in the USA as Victoria seems to suggest (hint: the author is, IIRC, from Maine). But I could see patriots from the NE pulling their weight in the years to come.
Ping
MOST of the Northeast is NOT the Cities.
There is, for example, a REASON that Non-Philly and Non-Pittsburgh is often referred to as “Pennsyltucky”.
If something depopulated the BosWash Corridor, the Northeast would transform overnight. . .
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