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Planet-savior Ford F-150 Debuts (without a Peep about the Planet)
nationalreview.com ^ | 10/9/2014 | Henry Payne

Posted on 11/21/2014 9:59:21 AM PST by rktman

Ford unveiled the 2015 Ford F-150 to the media for a first test drive here at the end of September. And not once did the detailed, two-day company presentation mention global warming.

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To: rktman

How is the aluminum body going to help prevent global cooling?


21 posted on 11/21/2014 11:13:38 AM PST by TruthWillWin (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: tx_eggman; Pontiac; rktman
man, I miss the FRP panels on the Saturn. Wonder if I could resurrect that tech in the aftermarket here and now? Our Ford Exploder needs some crinkly-dent fixes...

Surely most of the patents are up...

22 posted on 11/21/2014 11:18:23 AM PST by no-s (when democracy is displaced by tyranny, the armed citizen still gets to vote)
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To: no-s

The Saturn got a lot of flack from “journalist experts” for “large panel gaps”
Those were needed because the frp material has a much larger coefficient of expansion with temp.

But I suspect the real challenge to selling aftermarket frp replacements is price. Not many folks would spend 3 or 4 times the price of a replacement Chinese sourced sheetmetal part.


23 posted on 11/21/2014 11:24:04 AM PST by nascarnation (Impeach, Convict, Deport)
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To: nascarnation

How about some Photos or engine or MPG SPECS?


24 posted on 11/21/2014 11:54:23 AM PST by Big Red Badger ( - William Diamonds Drum - can You Hear it G man?)
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To: nascarnation; no-s
Wonder if I could resurrect that tech in the aftermarket here and now?

Probably not.

I believe that most aftermarket body panels are made using old dies purchased from the OME.

FRP would use molds. The molds would, I think have to be made from scratch which I think would drastically increase the price.

25 posted on 11/21/2014 11:55:08 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Big Red Badger

just go to ford.com and click on 2015 F150.
It’s all there.


26 posted on 11/21/2014 11:56:05 AM PST by nascarnation (Impeach, Convict, Deport)
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To: Pontiac

I think almost all non OEM produced aftermarket body panels are made in China or Taiwan with tooling they have produced themselves.
They scan the part, digitize, and build tooling.

They even produce all the sheet metal to build a vintage Camaros, Mustangs, etc.

http://www.dynacornbodies.com/manufacturing.php


27 posted on 11/21/2014 12:00:46 PM PST by nascarnation (Impeach, Convict, Deport)
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To: Pontiac
Personally I am not that hot on the use of aluminum body panels.

Here in Ohio the road crews use a lot of salt in the winter for snow and ice melt.

Salt can really do a number on Aluminum.

28 posted on 11/21/2014 12:39:55 PM PST by BwanaNdege (I wonder which side they choose whe)
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To: Pontiac
Personally I am not that hot on the use of aluminum body panels.

Here in Ohio the road crews use a lot of salt in the winter for snow and ice melt.

Salt can really do a number on Aluminum.

And of course, steel is completely unaffected, right?

29 posted on 11/21/2014 12:40:59 PM PST by BwanaNdege (I wonder which side they choose whe)
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To: Pontiac
FRP would use molds. The molds would, I think have to be made from scratch which I think would drastically increase the price.

Maybe. I'm more concerned about the precise composition though, especially if they had any special sauce for longevity or wear ( better than modern, that is).

Depending on what kind of tech used a mold is needed for every N parts, and molds can be made from a master with great staying power for long long runs. Play your cards right and you ma I imagine I'd rev the dimensions starting with a trip to the salvage yard and then refine from the original article using a probe attached to a CNC router. I'd use back-of-the-envelope or FEA to determine if anything special is needed for the attachment points and edges. Actually flat-ish stuff with minimal holes may work better with a simpler technique, where you make the starting mold from the original article.

30 posted on 11/21/2014 12:42:24 PM PST by no-s (when democracy is displaced by tyranny, the armed citizen still gets to vote)
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To: rktman

I’m not persuaded. My F-250 Superduty gets 20 highway on regular gas, and can haul a loaded six-horse GN through a mountain pass without breathing hard. It also makes suburban guys in their weekend F-150s look envious when they see this little blonde lady driving it. ;-) I would rather have this. Someone else can be the guinea pig, and maybe later, after the technology is proven, I will sign on. Frankly I can’t afford to take part in experiments.


31 posted on 11/21/2014 12:56:45 PM PST by ottbmare (the OTTB mare, now a proud Marine Mom)
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To: BwanaNdege
And of course, steel is completely unaffected, right?

Aluminum is under most conditions is a great metal for a variety of purposes because it has a hard oxidation layer that is durable preventing further oxidation of the metal.

But aluminum’s oxidation layer is leached away by sodium chloride. And those chloride ions will just sit there eating away that oxidation layer until you have a nice pit in the aluminum.

Steel also has the advantage that it can have rusted portions cut out and patches welded in fairly easily. Aluminum requires a very skilled welder to do the same type of work.

32 posted on 11/21/2014 1:25:36 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Harold Shea
Only thing I don`t care for is the dash kinda shows up on the windshield on mine...distracting.

Haven't noticed that... so I guess it's not a problem for me.

Love the EcoBoost

33 posted on 11/21/2014 1:34:02 PM PST by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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