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To: Gorilla44
I'm not so sure that this is to our advantage.

As I understand it, the nuclear option applies only to ending filibusters against nominees, it does not apply to legislation in general. The Democrats are disciplined and united, probably because of oligarchical control of their monies, far more than are Republicans who are at this juncture in the midst of a civil war between the base and the elitists, between conservatives and Rinos.

Republicans are prone, as history has shown respecting approving Democrat nominees, to divide against themselves and slavishly approved Democrat nominees. With the likes of Lindsay Graham, John McCain, the women from Maine, New Hampshire, and Alaska, there is a core of traitors.

So the danger is that a Democrat president can cobble together enough Rino Republicans to join with his Democrat minority to get approval. But as Ted Cruz pursues his plan to stop all nondefense related nominees by Obama so long as Obama pushes his tyrannical amnesty plan, it would be in our interest as conservatives for his opposition, manifested if necessary as a filibuster, to be unbreakable.

Legislation in general, however, is a different matter.


8 posted on 11/20/2014 2:51:17 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

I think it is a very distinct advantage if it keeps Obama from getting his nominees approved, frankly.

Democrats have always used historical Senate rules against the underdog and it is time Republicans give what they got.

Further, while there is that core of traitors you mentioned, we have the 2016 election coming up and at lease one of the Senators there is up for re-election.

Even if quashing nominees is only temporary, say as a means to stop or slow Obama on his royal proclamations (e.g., Amnesty), it will serve a purpose and help to reconfirm who the “mavericks” are.


10 posted on 11/20/2014 2:57:43 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: nathanbedford
I think it possible that the rule expand to include legislation. That will matter a great deal in the lame duck and would be quite helpful to Rs. I hope they change the legislation filibuster. It would mean 0bama would have to accept or veto a bazillion R bills. No more protection from the Senate.

But the nuclear nominations filibuster rule that Harry did could hurt Rs in the lame duck so I hope they change it back. If 0bama can get 51, it's done. And with the squishy Rs we have, he could. But he could not get 60. After January, Mitch _could_ stop them all before that point ... but if he doesn't, a 51 majority could confirm for 0bama.

17 posted on 11/20/2014 3:10:14 AM PST by Principled (Obama: Unblemished by success.)
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To: nathanbedford
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Perhaps you'll best appreciate the statement ...

"America's Civil War has already begun ... and is now entering the final part of phase two ..."



National Civil Wars have three phases, if one looks back between 1835 and 1861 ...

Phase-1 : A great national controversy

Phase-2 : Bitter political contests that involve increasing amounts of fraud, evil deeds, subdued violence

Phase-3 : Armed conflict, localized then spreading as people realize that they've "Crossed the Rubicon".



Obama and Holder and trying to use Fergeson as the tinder-box for Phase 3.

Both men should be tried and convicted and imprisoned for TREASON.



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28 posted on 11/20/2014 5:09:34 AM PST by Patton@Bastogne
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To: nathanbedford

“I’m not so sure that this is to our advantage.”

I’ve wondered that too. It’s almost like the Senators are doing it to stop the Tea Party, rather than stick it in the eye of the Democrats. We don’t need the rule now and it only makes it easier for Obama to get his way with nominees.

But, the other side, if the rule continues in place for the next two years, then the Dems will not be able to make headway when it stays in place for President Cruz...that is where it is REALLY NEEDED.


33 posted on 11/20/2014 5:31:38 AM PST by BobL (Don't forget - Today's Russians learn math WITHOUT calculators.)
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