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Don’t Mince Words: Gruber Tapes Show President Obama Is A Liar
The Daily Caller ^ | November 20, 2014 | Jamie Weinstein

Posted on 11/20/2014 2:02:45 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

President Barack Obama is a liar.

That’s the takeaway from Massachusetts Institute for Technology professor and Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber’s video oeuvre of narcissistic honesty.

“This bill was written in a tortured way to make sure the CBO did not score the mandate as taxes. If CBO scored the mandate as taxes, the bill dies,” Gruber said in one of several videos recently uncovered of him explaining at forums and panels over the last several years how Obamacare was dishonestly sold to the public.

“In terms of risk rated subsidies, if you had a law which said healthy people are going to pay in — if you made it explicit that healthy people pay in and sick people get money, it would not have passed,” Gruber went on to say in the 2013 video. “Lack of transparency is a huge advantage. And basically, you know, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever. But basically that was really, really critical to getting the thing to pass.”

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“One former senior administration official said that as the law was being crafted by the White House and lawmakers, some White House policy advisers objected to the breadth of Mr. Obama’s ‘keep your plan’ promise,” the Wall Street Journal reported last year. “They were overruled by political aides, the former official said.”

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: barackobama; domesticpolicy; foreignpolicy; gruber; obamapolicy
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"........Another trait the two have in common is that they tend to lie. [Gary] Hart, of course, lied about things that he thought should be private (but which had a huge effect on the fortunes of others), while Obama lies about things that affect the public (“if you like your plan, you can keep your plan”) or that involve life and death issues for the people involved (the attack in Benghazi was caused by a video). In these cases, it’s hard to tell if Obama is lying on purpose, or if he is just misinformed, or talking about things that he thinks ought to happen, or making assessments and/or predictions (about ISIS being “junior varsity”) that sadly just turn out not to be true. Whatever the reasons, these things pile up, and by 2014, after the catastrophic rollout of Obamacare and the chaos in the Middle East from his cut-and-run policy, the greatest orator of his generation found himself in a world where no one believed a word that he said. Obama would say, of course, that he meant well, as Hart would say he lied about things that were nobody else’s business; but in that case the proper response is to simply say “none of your business,” and not to embark on a series of whoppers that embarrass your backers and friends....." Hartache Democratic hero worship then and now

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David Horowitz June 2000 ".......The first truth about leftist missionaries, about believing progressives, is that they are liars. But they are not liars in the ordinary way, which is to say by choice. They are liars by necessity—often without even realizing that they are. Because they also lie to themselves. It is the political lie that gives their cause its life.

Why, for example, if you were one of them, would you tell the truth? If you were serious about your role in humanity's vanguard, if you had the knowledge (which others did not), that you were certain would lead them to a better world, why would you tell them a truth that they could not "understand" and that would hold them back?

If others could understand your truth, you would not think of yourself as a "vanguard." You would no longer inhabit the morally charmed world of an elite, whose members alone can see the light and whose mission is to lead the unenlightened towards it. If everybody could see the promised horizon and knew the path to reach it, the future would already have happened and there would be no need for the vanguard of the saints.

That is both the ethical core and psychological heart of what it means to be a part of the left. That is where the gratification comes from. To see yourself as a social redeemer. To feel anointed. In other words: To be progressive is itself the most satisfying narcissism.

That is why it is of little concern to them that their socialist schemes have run aground, burying millions of human beings in their wake. That is why they don't care that their panaceas have caused more human suffering than all the injustices they have ever challenged. That is why they never learn from their "mistakes." That is why the continuance of Them is more important than any truth. .....

......Naturally, today's leftists are smart enough to distance themselves from Soviet Communism. But the Soviet dictator Nikita Khrushchev was already a critic of Stalin forty years ago. Did his concessions make him less of a Communist? Or more?

On the other hand, conservative misunderstanding of the left is only in part a product of the left's own deceits. It also reflects conservatives' inability to understand the religious nature of the progressive faith and the power of its redemptive idea. For instance, I'm often asked by conservatives about the continuing role and influence of the Communist Party, since they observe quite correctly the pervasive presence of so many familiar totalitarian ideas in our academic and political culture. Though still around and sometimes influential in the left, the Communist Party has been a minor player for nearly fifty years. How can there be a communist left (small "c" of course) without a Communist Party?

The short answer is that it was not the Communist Party that made the left, but the (small 'c') communist Idea. It is the idea, as old as the Tower of Babel, that humanity can build a highway to Heaven. It is the idea of returning to an Earthly Paradise, a garden of social harmony and justice. It is the idea that inspires Jewish radicals and liberals of a tikkun olam, a healing of the cosmic order. It is the Enlightenment illusion of the perfectibility of man. And it is the siren song of the serpent in Eden: "Eat of this Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, and you shall be as God."...............

.........It is this same idea that is found in the Social Gospel which impressed the youthful Hillary Clinton at the United Methodist Church in Park Ridge, Illinois. She later encountered the same idea in the New Left at Yale and in the Venceremos Brigade in Communist Cuba, and in the writings of the New Leftist who introduced her to the "politics of meaning" even after she had become America's First Lady. It is the idea that drives her comrades in the Children's Defense Fund, the National Organization for Women, the Al Sharpton House of Justice and the other progressive causes which for that reason still look to her as a political leader.

For these self-appointed social redeemers, the goal—"social justice"—is not about rectifying particular injustices, which would be practical and modest, and therefore conservative. Their crusade is about rectifying injustice in the very order of things. "Social Justice" for them is about a world reborn, a world in which prejudice and violence are absent, in which everyone is equal and equally advantaged and without fundamentally conflicting desires. It is a world that could only come into being through a re-structuring of human nature and of society itself..........."

1 posted on 11/20/2014 2:02:46 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Sadly, the STUPID PEOPLE that VOTED for this LIAR don’t give a DAMN!!!


2 posted on 11/20/2014 2:04:11 AM PST by Ann Archy (ABORTION....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy

I think some of the do now.


3 posted on 11/20/2014 2:09:12 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If you lined up a hundred folks who voted in 2012 for President Obama....I’d take a guess that ninety-five of them would still come around to vote again for him. It’s a crowd with some false sense of reality. Waiting for something to occur, but never sure what it might be.


4 posted on 11/20/2014 2:11:53 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It’s the democrat base that’s stupid. It consists of just about every low-IQ group you can think of.


5 posted on 11/20/2014 2:17:06 AM PST by ComputerGuy (BS, MS, PhD and a BMF besides)
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To: Ann Archy

Leftism is a mental disorder so leftists could not grasp the reality that Comrade obamatollah is a lyin’ communist.

And when he’s not a lyin’ communist, he’s practicing taqiyya.


6 posted on 11/20/2014 2:21:57 AM PST by newfreep ("Evil succeeds when good men do nothting" - Edmund Burke)
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To: ComputerGuy

yes bBUT how to describe the support from them Jews?
They are probably the most edumacated group of dumbasses out there cause they too overwhelmingly voted twice for the jive ass poser?


7 posted on 11/20/2014 2:31:23 AM PST by Joe Boucher (The F.B.I. Is a division of holders Justice Dept. (Nuff said))
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To: Joe Boucher

You’re right. My mom was Jewish and she was one of the few Republican Jews I’ve ever met. Too many Jews are insular and vote dem out of habit. There are also more than a few stupid Jews out there. Take my brother-in-law for instance...


8 posted on 11/20/2014 2:35:07 AM PST by ComputerGuy (BS, MS, PhD and a BMF besides)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

When it comes to Democrats, the MSM just laughs at their lies!


9 posted on 11/20/2014 2:37:44 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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Clearly---Gruber was handed the Marxist dream plan FIRST. Then Obama bribed money-hungry Gruber w/ $400,000 hefty tax dollars to invent a healthcare model so that he, and lock-stepping Dems, could sell it to gullible Americans.

Loyal foot-soldier Gruber, in obeisance to the Marxist dream, invented mechanisms to serve Obama's Marxist obsession w/ wealth transfer---as candidate Obama told Joe the Plumber---his plan was to "redistribute the wealth."

Wealth got redistributed. alright--into Gruber's pockets.

PROGRESSIVE POISON The so-called "Cadillac tax" was part of the Obama/Gruber conspiracy designed: (1) to destroy wealthy insurance companies......targets of Progressive virulent hatred, and, (2) to deny end-of-life care to the elderly......deplored by Progressive Marxists.

Other poisons: healthcare rationing, pulling $750 million out of Medicare, death panels....... and the Marxist Dream Triumphant: decimating intergenerational transfers of wealth (a longtime Progressive bugaboo); grandma/pa's holdings go to the govt---not to you.

10 posted on 11/20/2014 2:39:12 AM PST by Liz (Another Clinton administration? Are you nuts?)
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To: Joe Boucher

First, foremost and always, if you’re a a member of the loony left, that is your first identity. It ranks higher than gender, race, religion, nationality, sexual orientation, age, income bracket, education - their communist “social justice” ideology, tied to “guilt,” trumps everything! Following that, is your social grievance moniker - your hyphenated political identity.


11 posted on 11/20/2014 2:42:15 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

good morning Cincinatus’ Wife


12 posted on 11/20/2014 2:55:30 AM PST by Joe Boucher (The F.B.I. Is a division of holders Justice Dept. (Nuff said))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Back when this was all being debated and millions of us marched on Versailles on the Potomac, I offered Mike Castle, my Congress critter at the time, a simple way to stop the bill in its tracks.

An unanimous motion to dispense with the reading of the bill should have been objected to. If they had, they would STILL be reading the bill. Of course, Castle scoffed at the idea.

So, don’t just blame Pelousy and her pack of rats. The Whigs were just as compliant. More proof that we have one party with two branches ruining our country.


13 posted on 11/20/2014 3:18:17 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I commend you for continually bringing David Horowitz's very credible explanation of the motivations of leftists to our attention. The essay is so good it should be read in its entirety.

Indeed, one might even go so far as to say that it rivals Witness by Whittaker Chambers as an insider's explanation of what makes leftists what they are and what makes them behave the way they do. Both Chambers and Horowitz are insiders, recovering leftists, who have figuratively been reborn and their descriptions and explanations carry the weight of their own experiences. As such they are invaluable because they are credible.


14 posted on 11/20/2014 3:52:40 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Ann Archy

“O” could incinerate the Constitution in FRONT of them and they wouldn’t blink.


15 posted on 11/20/2014 3:58:44 AM PST by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Don’t Mince Words: Gruber Tapes Show President Obama Is A Liar

No one here except the occasional troll, ever doubted it.

16 posted on 11/20/2014 4:21:09 AM PST by Graybeard58 ( O magnify the Lord with me, and let us exalt his name together. Ps 34:3)
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To: SMARTY

:Gruber Tapes Show President Obama Is A Liar”.......

We sure as hell didn’t need the Gruber tapes to figure that out, it was known long before anyone heard of Gruber.


17 posted on 11/20/2014 4:21:10 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The ironic truth here is that if Americans needed the stinkin’ Gruber tapes to prove Obama is a liar, then he is right...those Americans are STOOOPID.


18 posted on 11/20/2014 4:27:07 AM PST by Mich Patriot (Pitch black is the new "transparent.")
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To: pepsionice
If you lined up a hundred folks who voted in 2012 for President Obama....I’d take a guess that ninety-five of them would still come around to vote again for him.

In the immortal words of Chuck Schumer:

"We're United. You're Not."

19 posted on 11/20/2014 4:48:02 AM PST by Old Sarge (TINVOWOOT: There Is No Voting Our Way Out Of This)
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To: Ann Archy

“Sadly, the STUPID PEOPLE that VOTED for this LIAR don’t give a DAMN!”

Exactly.

He is not the problem.

IMHO


20 posted on 11/20/2014 4:57:08 AM PST by ripley
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