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Audi Announces It’s ‘Mastered’ Hydrogen, Unveils First Fuel Cell Vehicle
dailycaller ^
| 3:23 PM 11/19/2014
| Giuseppe Macri
Posted on 11/19/2014 2:35:31 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer
GM once held multiple patents on fuel cell technology, and could have had vision and cornered this market early - but didn’t.
To: nascarnation
Probably not as well that’s for sure. He has learned to profit from the government’s distortion of the marketplace.
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posted on
11/19/2014 3:39:50 PM PST
by
Dagnabitt
(Amnesty is Treason. Its agents and supporters are Traitors.)
To: lacrew
This is because it takes electricity to make hydrogen by electrolysis (there are other methods but electrolysis is the main way to do it)
Most Hydrogen is produced by converting natural gas, not electrolysis. This process also produces around 10 pounds of CO2 for every pound of Hydrogen.
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posted on
11/19/2014 3:40:03 PM PST
by
WackySam
To: Dagnabitt
Crony capitalism...it’s what makes the Chicago Mob such a potent force in politics.
Look at the list of companies donating to Podesta..it reads like the Fortune 500...
They’re all trying to purchase “protection”
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posted on
11/19/2014 3:42:17 PM PST
by
nascarnation
(Impeach, Convict, Deport)
To: lacrew
Now, it could be argued that nuke plants could provide cheap electricity, which is easily shipped to our homes...and we could use in home electrolysis set-ups
Any 6th or 7th grader can separate oxygen and hydrogen from water for their science fair project. Easy. What's not easy is either compressing the hydrogen, or liquifying it (less than -400F). So good luck just pulling into home and refilling your car!
This process generally requires about 30% of the energy stored in the hydrogen, as well as lots of equipment to actually do it. Not something most people can just use or even afford.
To: Darksheare; crazyman
Thorium reactors. But that would be too smart.
And the enviros would go ape stuffing crazy over it.
Get the thorium from coal tailings, then use some of the energy generated (there's about 12 times the energy in the thorium in coal, vs. burning the coal itself) to power the FischerTropsch process that can, essentially, liquify coal into a usable fuel for vehicles (note that the Germans did this at the tail end of WW2, when they had lost access to oil fields). We have hundreds of years worth of coal, and can virtually cease importing liquid energy if we liquify the coal. Then, in combination with fracking, etc., we can become the world's largest exporter of energy. This will employ millions and generate such incredible income that we will be able to pay off the national debt in a few decades.
Which is exactly why the Leftists and the Watermelons (as if there's much of a difference) are against it.
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posted on
11/19/2014 3:46:54 PM PST
by
Ancesthntr
("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
To: lacrew
So, the concept is you fill up at home, with your own water and electricity.Windmill pumping well water and generating electricity for the conversion process?
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posted on
11/19/2014 3:48:44 PM PST
by
JimRed
(Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
To: Jimmy Valentine
Helium vs Hydrogen
Helium = Hindenberg
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posted on
11/19/2014 3:50:53 PM PST
by
DoughtyOne
(The mid-term elections were perfect for him. Now Obama can really lead from behind.)
To: ckilmer
Hydrogen is ALWAYS bound to other substances. Breaking apart the atomic bonds takes energy, as does compressing it, as does transporting it. While a hydrogen fuel cell will produce “green” emissions (i.e. simple H2O, water), the process to get to that point is highly energy inefficient. In other words, TANSTAAFL, tree-hugger fantasies notwithstanding.
We’re better off using oil as we do now, or going to LFTR reactors that will get electricity from thorium, and use a small portion of that energy to liquify coal into a petroleum-like substance that can be used for cars, trucks and aircraft.
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posted on
11/19/2014 3:52:28 PM PST
by
Ancesthntr
("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
To: Jimmy Valentine
Nope, I was wrong and you were right. Sorry about that.
Hydrogen was used in the Hindenburg.
Today they use helium.
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posted on
11/19/2014 3:53:08 PM PST
by
DoughtyOne
(The mid-term elections were perfect for him. Now Obama can really lead from behind.)
To: Signalman
Hydrogen Fuel-Cell Cars Not Viable, Says Volkswagen CEO:Volkswagen Debuts Fuel-Cell Concept Car at 2014 L.A. Auto Show
...In this case, the alternative-fuel drivetrain is a fuel-cell system engineered by Volkswagen. The fuel cell combines hydrogen and oxygen to produce electricity that drives an electric motor...
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posted on
11/19/2014 3:55:04 PM PST
by
Ol' Dan Tucker
(People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
To: wrench
You mean this car will be coated in fabric and aluminized buterate dope?Technically speaking, butyrate dope is used on fabric covering because of its low flammability. (See: Myths about the Hindenburg Crash)
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posted on
11/19/2014 4:05:37 PM PST
by
Ol' Dan Tucker
(People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
To: DoughtyOne
Hindenburg was filled with hydrogen. The fire risk is why blimps use helium today.
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posted on
11/19/2014 5:09:40 PM PST
by
thackney
(life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
To: Ancesthntr
“Get the thorium from coal tailings”
Send the enviros DOUBLY crazy, I love it!
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posted on
11/19/2014 5:29:46 PM PST
by
Darksheare
(People who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
To: thackney; DoughtyOne
That, and the fabric skin was doped with what amounted to rocket fuel.
Though at the time they didn’t know their doping agent was solid rocket fuel.
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posted on
11/19/2014 5:32:30 PM PST
by
Darksheare
(People who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
To: ckilmer
The irony is that hydrogen fuel cells produce water vapor which is the dominant greenhouse gas on Earth.
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posted on
11/19/2014 5:35:04 PM PST
by
Sirius Lee
(All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
To: hosepipe
"Who can afford to buy an Audi?..."
Wait until it drives off the dealer lot, the price drops 50% instantly.
To: doorgunner69
That may be, but I’d hate to be paying the repair bills off-warranty.
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posted on
11/19/2014 5:45:29 PM PST
by
nascarnation
(Impeach, Convict, Deport)
To: DoughtyOne
"Helium = Hindenberg"
May want to re-think that one.
To: griswold3
Coming to the 24 huer du Le Mans .... Audi owns that circuit...
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