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To: BigBobber
I left out Gruber in my analysis of who was lied to and who believed the lies. Gruber didn't believe he own lies, but he did believe he was successful in pulling the wool over the eyes of the "stupid American voters". The Low Information types only heard a few sound bites based on Gruber's work, but that could've been handled by any PR on the Obama staff. You didn't need Gruber for that.

Gruber was needed for the Democrat Members of Congress; House and Senate; and for the Media. ObamaCare was crafted to minimize opposition. They learned from the HillaryCare debacle and bought off the short-sighted Pharmaceutical and Insurance Industries. Both are doomed to destruction under any national healthcare scheme.

39 posted on 11/15/2014 10:11:50 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (You can have a free country or government schools. Choose one.)
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To: Jabba the Nutt

He was lying specifically in the construction or writing of Law to benefit a desired end. He was lying to America.


50 posted on 11/15/2014 10:45:17 AM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Jabba the Nutt
Gruber was needed for the Democrat Members of Congress; House and Senate; and for the Media.

You nailed it. Obama was willing to entrust the fundamental transformation of the best healthcare system in the world to a scam artist. How scary is that?

Gruber references the "tortuous language". It was purposefully obtuse, so that it could neither be clearly understood nor easily refuted. Even challenging it in court has been difficult because the wording can be argued from several different angles (tax, mandate, fine, tax, mandate, fine?).

It was always a moving target and continues to be. How many times has Obama unilaterally changed the law?

51 posted on 11/15/2014 10:49:01 AM PST by randita ("Is a nation without borders a nation?"...Noonan)
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