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To: thorvaldr

I don’t think you will mind a link to an article critical of the Patriot Act in the Daily Kos:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/07/1214344/-Who-Stood-for-Constitutional-Liberties-and-Voted-Against-the-USA-PATRIOT-Act-in-2001#

From the above:

The USA PATRIOT Act passed the Senate by a vote of 98 to 1. Russ Feingold (D-WI), a strong civil libertarian who was unfortunately defeated in the 2010 election, was the sole opponent.

The bill passed the House by a vote of 357 to 66. Of the 66 constitutional defenders, 62 were Democrats, 3 were Republicans, and 1 was an Independent. Five of them—Tammy Baldwin, Sherrod Brown, Bernie Sanders, Mark Udall, and Tom Udall—now serve in the Senate.
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so I guess you can thank Russ Feingold and Bernie Sanders for voting against it and the I guess the other 99 Senators and 357 Representatives who voted for it were also “statists” with G W Bush


141 posted on 11/14/2014 11:12:14 AM PST by woofie
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To: woofie

“so I guess you can thank Russ Feingold and Bernie Sanders for voting against it and the I guess the other 99 Senators and 357 Representatives who voted for it were also “statists” with G W Bush”

You know that list had Mark Udall on it, right?
So you are going with some argument that, in general, politicians care about liberty and not just increasing the power of the state? You’re going to be pretty hard pressed to back that up. Find me some instances where the Washington insiders decided that reducing the scope and reach of government was the way to solve a problem.


142 posted on 11/14/2014 11:17:37 AM PST by thorvaldr
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To: woofie
There was no need at all for the Patriot Act.

A need for organizing for war, does not mean an attending need to establish a gigantic police state organ, mindless of the consequences if that police state organ is overtaken for Marxist-Leninist purposes ... which it has.

150 posted on 11/14/2014 12:39:55 PM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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