Posted on 11/12/2014 8:54:51 AM PST by TangledUpInBlue
There was strong opposition to Medicare before it went in to effect in 1965, but after that, the health program for seniors quickly became an accepted and even popular part of the U.S. medical system.
Supporters of the Affordable Care Act, President Obama’s bold health reform law, often highlight the similarity to Medicare in terms of initial opposition. But Obamacare, as the ACA is known, is hardly catching on like Medicare did (at least not yet). In fact, the law suddenly seems more threatened than at any time since it was passed in 2010, and it’s now possible the whole unwieldy program could collapse.
Three things happened during the first 10 days of November that amount to a major downgrade in the prognosis for Obamacare. First, Republicans won a majority of seats in the Senate, giving them control of both houses of Congress. Second, the Obama administration sharply lowered its estimate for how many people will enroll in Obamacare in 2015. Third and probably most important, the Supreme Court agreed to hear a sleeper legal case that could have devastating consequences for Obamacare if the justices side with the plaintiffs.
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“LIV”????
My question on SCOTUS....seem most folks feel Roberts was blackmailed. Ok, let’s say that is true. Why has the right not found what he was being blackmailed about and expose it and end this as a option for the left??
Even so, what’s to stop Congress from simply amending the law to allow the Feds to provide subsidies? I know we’d like to think the Republicans would hold fast, but I don’t see rabid opposition to Obamacare from the GOP leaders.
No, but what I think the author meant was that people are taxed for it. (assuming they work)
Lack of transparency, huh?
I know you all will appreciate this definition.
The best description of Obamacare so far:
Remember when Nancy Pelosi said:
“We have to pass it, to find out what’s in it.”
A physician called into a radio show and said:
“That’s the definition of a stool sample.”
Understand that this legislation never made it to the American voter for consideration.
Resposibility of ACA rests squarely on the shoulders of the Democrat legislators when they , alone, passed this legislation.
Additional responsibility for supporting ACA belongs to the incestuous relationship of the media/ press in supporting this relationship with this progressive administration .
Originally, I thought that the ACA was a case of "Bait and Switch", however Jonathan Gruber has admitted planned subtrefuge to get it passed,
however, since Gruber's admission, there is sufficient evidence to forulate prosecution under RICO.
Under the threat of RICO, and discontent of the American taxpayer, I believe that enough Democrats could be convinced to help dismantle ObamaCare.
If looked at from Obama & Company’s perspective, the penalties for not having the medical insurance make sense.
Many in the middle class, particularly the petit bourgeois, simply cannot afford the premiums, and they appear to be increasing, rather than becoming more affordable.
They do not qualify for the `subsidies’ (`free’), so they go uninsured, risking bankruptcy.
The socialists have always wanted a `class-free’ society. They hope to accomplish this goal by doing away with the middle classes—the bourgeois, the kulaks, those who have no need of masters—by warring against them.
They and like minded pols do this by penalizing Americans who cannot afford the insurance by extorting a payment for being unable to afford the insurance they would like to have, but cannot afford because they are productive, if not prosperous, and ineligible for `subsidies’ like that portion of the electorate the Democratic party has in its pocket.
[Related, while not entirely on point, is an immigration policy destructive of the middle class, shared by both parties.]
History demonstrates what happens following institution of a “dictatorship of the people”—stark stratification of society. The model of a triangle standing on its tip, with more people at the top exercising power and with fewer as you get to the bottom: the pure democratic model, is stood on its base—as the statists see it, the natural order of things with a very select few (an inner party, if you will) exercising real power.
This kind of thinking, power to “those who know” goes back to Plato’s time. An important part of his agenda was having people turn over their children to himself and others like him for schooling, and the Greeks understandably told him to `fuggedaboutit’.
Restating what we all know:
In sum, the `Affordable Care’ (and Patient Privacy: we haven’t repercussions of this half of the act yet) act is an entirely unAmerican and undemocratic pipe-dream made real by hardcore statists pursuing a much larger totalitarian agenda.
postscript
“pipedream” needs more: What does any reasonable person (even liberal) think would happen when a huge federal bureaucracy is created to implement and oversee a gargantuan new program that every single one of the ‘loyal opposition’ refused to approve during a vote held Christmas evening?
That it would in fact be “affordable”?
By this federal government?
C’mon ... they can’t even do a budget.
Medicare was accepted, in part, because it was small enough that its distortions of the market were slow enough they could be ignored until people were used to it. Obamacare is a wrecking ball that not only distorted but killed parts of the market ahead of implementation.
To be honest, I would imagine many, if not most, of those Democrats wish they could reverse their vote about now. Maybe enough of them could be persuaded to join in the ObamaCare removal IF they can find a palatable substitute. However, I just hope the GOP doesn’t fold up like they have done in the past and agree to sign off on a nearly-as-bad replacement.
The Gruber comments did not have “legs”. I have heard NO discourse about it in normal conversation.
Is there a lot of talk about it on the MSM?
They always go after the evil rich (working class) they get a high when they tax.
"What Will Obamacare Cost You?" at Forbes
with age/state/cost($) table and recent adjustments:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3226034/posts
original source at Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/special-report/2013/what-will-obamacare-cost-you-map.html
If Zero gets out from under, it will be acceptable collateral damage because it gets the COUNTRY out from under this fascist behemoth.
I’ rather see him tarred feathered and sent back to Chicago with all 2,000 pages shoved up there but I will take repeal gladly.
When do their next big round of decisions come out?
Soon I hope!
How can his pair grow when the dems have them( his pair) in a vise?
There is a premise that one does not have standing to object to a tax in court unless youve paid the tax. ...there is now standing on that as well.
Excerpt from:
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html
Section. 7.
All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills
Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.
Looks like next batch of orders will be Nov. 17 but probably too soon for a decision on this since they just “took the case” on Nov. 7th.
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