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1 posted on 11/09/2014 12:45:04 AM PST by Enlightened1
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The fact that Mexico has never moved onto charging US law enforcement officials with Mexican law violations really begs for some explanation. If Mexican officials had helped to move weapons across the US border and kill one thousand Americans, we’d react in a pretty hostile way. In this case? They just looked the other way.


2 posted on 11/09/2014 12:53:31 AM PST by pepsionice
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3 posted on 11/09/2014 1:04:11 AM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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Unbelievable. I always thought these people where a heck of a lot more Machiavellian. Maybe they are and his email is just a way to rally his subordinates. To say that Issa was never concerned about the death of Mexicans caused by the Administration’s smuggling of weapons to drug cartels is a low charge. And what about Americans killed by these weapons including Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry? Is Holder silent on that topic? I’m not sure how its a suck up to the NRA, though. Political? Yes but that is also his job, oversight of federal agencies. Even if his motive is suspect, no American of any party should shrug their shoulders at the DOJ being gun runners to drug cartels and responsible for the death of thousands of people.


4 posted on 11/09/2014 1:04:17 AM PST by monkeyshine
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Your own DoJ makes a liar out of you, Holder.

The Department of Justice ’ s Operation Fast and Furious: Accounts of ATF Agents

Agent Casa recounted a similar situation. He had also never heard of, nor seen, guns being allowed to walk until he got to Phoenix:

. . . . But from the time I started as an ATF special agent . . . up until the time I got to Phoenix, that was my understanding, that we do not let guns walk, absolutely, positively not. And if we –if ever a case [where]we would do that, there better be a really good explanation why we did not grab that gun when we could.

Q. But that changed when you came to Phoenix, I mean the practice at least changed, correct?

A. Yes.

(snip)

As Agent Dodson testified:

Q. Based on our training and experience, what did you think about [walking guns]?

A. It was something I had never done before, sir. And quite frankly, I took great issue with it and concern.I felt like I understand the importance of going after the bigger target, but there is a way to do that. We did it successfully in the dope world all the time. And those skills and practices that we used there, a lot of them transfer over, and more than applicable in gun trafficking investigations, but we weren’t allowed to use any of them.

Q. And did you ever have a recollection of sharing your frustration with Special Agent Casa?

A. Oh, yes, sir.

Q. And any other special agents that you can –

A. Yes, sir.

Q. And maybe you could just tell us what other agents you –

A. Pretty much everyone, sir. It was, I shared my reservations and concerns with Special Agent [L], with Dave Voth, with Special Agent [D]Special Agent [H], Special Agent Alt, Special Agent [P], several of the special agents that came on the GRIT, G-R-I-T. The gunrunner initiative is what it stands for. I shared them with or I voiced my concerns to other agents inside the Phoenix field division that was on other groups.

(snip)

Despite this e-mail, agents continued to experience dismay and frustration as Operation Fast and Furious continued along its perilous path. As Agent Casa testified:

Q. And is it fair to say that. . .the folks on your side of the schism wanted to do everything they could to interdict these weapons so they wouldn’t get any farther down the street than they have to?

A. Yes, sir. We were all sick to death when we realized that –when we realized what was going on or when we saw what was going on by the trends. We were all just, yes, we were all distraught.

The rift widened when the Assistant Special Agent in Charge (ASAC) authoritatively and unambiguously told Group VII that guns were not being walked, that the special agents were incorrect in their terminology, and that there would be no more discussion or dissension about this topic. Agent Dodson testified:

A. Then we get an e-mail that . . . there is going to be a meeting. [the ASAC] is coming down, [the ASAC] comes into the Group 7 office and tells us essentially we better stand down with our complaints, that we didn’t know what the definition of walking guns was, we weren’t familiar with the Phoenix way of doing things, that all of this was sanctioned and we just needed to essentially shut up and get in line. That’s not a quote, but that’s the feel of the meeting, so . . .


5 posted on 11/09/2014 1:06:02 AM PST by TigersEye (ISIS is the tip of the spear. The spear is Islam.)
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Until the scandal blew wide open, Holder and the obamists were begging Mexico to sue American gun manufacturers in US courts. There was a veritable drumbeat from the obama regime pushing the government of Mexico to sue.


8 posted on 11/09/2014 1:14:56 AM PST by marron
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Barely freaking out.


11 posted on 11/09/2014 1:27:08 AM PST by MNDude
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I have been following Fast and Furious for quite some time, but as far as I can recall no one has ever claimed that “thousands” of people were killed with weapons coming directly out of the F&F operation. I think what Holder was referring to was the thousands killed in the drug lord operations in general.

Supposedly F&F was designed to expose how the guns were mostly coming from the U.S. side (this is what Hildabeast and others were claiming). Supposedly they wanted to “prove” this so they could use it as justification to shut down gun sales in the U.S.

In short, I suspect this article has got the context wrong.


12 posted on 11/09/2014 1:38:31 AM PST by Cap Huff
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While this covers F&F ,fast and furious,be more intrested inter office and WH exchanges on Zimmerman and Ferguson and the use of the AG’s office to promote racial strife or conceal facts (Brown video/police reports) which has resulted in continuing deaths and property damage.


13 posted on 11/09/2014 2:26:49 AM PST by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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Scooter Libby went to the slammer and he was completely innocent.
Will the affirmative action AG crook skate?
16 posted on 11/09/2014 3:01:58 AM PST by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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SURPRISE SURPRISE SURPRISE!

Not!

Most if not all Democrats have a burning churning volcano inside, ready to erupt...


17 posted on 11/09/2014 3:45:54 AM PST by buffyt (EBOLA CZAR says Overpopulation is the biggest threat to mankind Call the village we found your idiot)
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"Holder responds by saying that they needed to be very careful"

Sounds like conspiracy to "Obstruct Justice" to me.

19 posted on 11/09/2014 3:52:47 AM PST by Falcon4.0
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23 posted on 11/09/2014 4:37:29 AM PST by Liz (Another Clinton administration? Are you nuts?)
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Once again the left omits facts fatal to their argument. Some surprise there, eh...


24 posted on 11/09/2014 4:50:51 AM PST by W. (We won. Get over it! Or not. I don't care--because we won! Guilt-free Schadenfreude! Es Ist sehrgut!)
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bflater


26 posted on 11/09/2014 6:02:09 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (Es Mi Partido, Ahora!)
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I continue to be shocked by comments from the left. The truth I believe is so far removed from the things they say. Do they really believe what they say? I don’t know about the ones in power but the “masses” espouse those comments as beliefs without thinking. We have to be more discerning and I think conservatives are which has been part of the Republican’s problem keeping them from marching lock step. But listen to Republican candidates that won last week and their discourse is intelligent. Let’s keep it that way!


28 posted on 11/09/2014 6:44:51 AM PST by outinyellowdogcountry
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The epitome of a sleazeball.
29 posted on 11/09/2014 6:48:22 AM PST by jetson (Can I catch you a delicious bass...)
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Why would Mexican drug cartels use American sporterized weapons for three times the cost of the open market? The scam was something only a libtard would dream up from the start.


32 posted on 11/09/2014 7:04:15 AM PST by The Toll
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Pretty stupid to put that kind of stuff in an email.


34 posted on 11/09/2014 8:25:33 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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I want to see the SOB in jail.


39 posted on 11/09/2014 11:37:05 AM PST by Rockitz (This is NOT rocket science - Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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