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To: zeebee
Remember, it takes a simple majority in the House to impeach. But it takes a 2/3 majority in the Senate to convict.

Back in 1974, Senator Hugh Scott visited Nixon and told him that Republicans in the Senate would vote for conviction. But no way would any Democrat today vote for the conviction of Obama. Principles don't matter with them.

So the votes just aren't there in the Senate.

53 posted on 11/08/2014 7:32:26 AM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Leaning Right; zeebee

” no way would any Democrat today vote for the conviction of Obama. Principles don’t matter with them.”

It’s complicated. They agree with most if not all of his agenda, but recognize the country is not there and the shellacking just received will continue if Obama continues his war on America. There is no way enough Democrat Senators will join any impeachment vote as ultimately it is convicting themselves for their support of unconstitutional actions and policy. As Obama continues to take action stoking the fire, some will become convinced they really need a way out - and there is one that stops short of the time consuming and political war involved in impeachment.

The better way out is to exercise Section 4 of the 25th Amendment, with Democrat leaders recognizing his mental illness as incapaciting.

His narcissism is clouding any ability for him to reason, surely a majority of his cabinet could come together with Biden and declare him “unable to discharge the powers and duties of the Office....” While he would immediately send his “written declaration that no inability exists” the VP and a “majority of the principal officers of the executive department” (Cabinet) could within four days confirm that the “President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office” and let Congress “decide the issue” by a 2/3 vote of both houses.

Much has been written about the mental state of Obama - and even the press is now questioning his inability to grasp the rejection of his policies (and him personally). It may take an open meltdown of some sort to confirm his mental and emotional inability to function as President, but as Democrats are themselves ready to revolt rather than find themselves totally eviscerated at the next election, they may find the 25th amendment their way out.

Some will argue that this section of the amendment was only intended to deal with physical incapacity such as by stroke or heart attack - but clearly there was an intent that mental problems where the President would try to argue he is not incapacitated while others see that he is was clearly contemplated - thus the second round and decision by the Congress in an expedited fashion being provided for. Howard Baker was given a memo when he became chief of staff suggesting the 25th amendment should be invoked to remove Reagan from office after Iran-Contra due to psychological issues, laziness, ... - all of which have been fully exhibited by Obama. Baker and others observed Reagan and found the allegations meritless - has anyone prepared such a memo regarding the current resident of the Whitehouse.

Quicker and cleaner than impeachment, keeps their policies above the fray, and simply takes out what has only become a liability for the next two years. Yes, we’ll have to deal with Biden as President - but he can’t do nearly the damage to the Democratic party that Obama is doing - so if there are rational minds they ultimately will consider their options.


73 posted on 11/08/2014 10:26:56 AM PST by LibertyOh
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