Posted on 10/27/2014 9:05:45 AM PDT by Enlightened1
Droplet spread happens when germs traveling inside droplets that are coughed or sneezed from a sick person enter the eyes, nose, or mouth of another person. Droplets travel short distances, less than 3 feet (1 meter) from one person to another.
A person might also get infected by touching a surface or object that has germs on it and then touching their mouth or nose.
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Clean and disinfect commonly touched surfaces like doorknobs, faucet handles, and toys, since the Ebola virus may live on surfaces for up to several hours.
(Excerpt) Read more at cdc.gov ...
I think it is realistic and reasonable. We need to stop coddling stupidity in this country. It’s easy to find out what the word means in context of the discussion, use it correctly let people learn. In the 50s, 60s and 70s we didn’t coddle, we used the right words in the right context and let people figure out, with the world at our fingertips there’s no reason not to be on that path. The average person needs to stop being a moron, and they won’t stop until we MAKE them. When hantavirus hit in the 90s people didn’t get confused about the fact that it could be inhaled even though it wasn’t airborne, 20 years later we should be able to handle it.
First 8 hours of the fever same room no touching? Sure no problem. But we ain’t playin cards, and I’m washing really really good after.
Her situation is that she is a nurse and is therefore in the #1 risk group to get AIDS and Hepatitis and herpes and a whole bunch of other junk. Because that’s the job. When looked at purely through the tunnel of infectious disease nursing is the most dangerous job on the planet. It’s not a question of if your patients will get you sick but when and which disease you’re getting.
But there probably won’t BE any pediatric Ebola cases in this country. In the entire 40 years we’ve known about it we’ve had a dozen or so come in with it (most we knew ahead of time, a couple we didn’t) and 2 actually catch it here. It’s just not that easy to catch, partly because it’s not airborne.
Those aren’t competing interests. Lack of paranoia helps them get ahead of diseases. When people are acting intelligently they take proper precautions which help stop a disease in its track. When people act off paranoia they act stupidly and actually make the situation work, like killing the cats during the bubonic plague.
Anybody whose nefarious motive involves Ebola, a disease that has only killed a couple of thousand people in 40 years on the entire planet, is stupider than the people who can’t be bothered to google what airborne really means.
People on the other side of the aisle talk a lot about “common sense gun control”, both they and you seriously misuse the words “common sense”. Mass quarantines aren’t that easy, figuring who should be in them and who shouldn’t is difficult, done wrong you actually help spread a disease by locking non-sick people up with sick people, plus it encourages panic, and makes all the people who don’t get sick mad which inevitably lands you in court.
It travels through the air, but doesn’t meet the strict scientific definition of “airborne”
Neither does anthrax, unless it has been weaponized by milling. But do not go sniffing it either.
The following photo is taken from the Research Group mentioned in the MIT news article and published in The Journal of Fluid Mechanics.
It’s a startling image.
Web site:
https://lbourouiba.mit.edu/image-gallery/sneeze-ejecta-large-droplet-ejecta
Large photo from sequence
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https://lbourouiba.mit.edu/sites/default/files/droplet-sneeze-2.jpg
Sneeze Ejecta: Large droplet ejecta
I’m sorry if the official definition of a word does not help your argument that’s it not airborne. You have me laughing over here.
Anyway how is this not the same as the flu or the common cold that infects many people every year?
Look you can spin ALL YOU WANT. You have yet to convince me.
Plus if it’s so safe like you are saying, even though almost 5,000 people are dead, then why are 30 countries, such as the UK, Saudi Arabia, France, Russia, China, Japan, Nigeria, etc..., are banning people from the Ebola stricken countries???
I’m sorry if the official definition of a word does not help your argument that’s it not airborne. You have me laughing over here.
Anyway how is this not the same as the flu or the common cold that infects many people every year?
Look you can spin ALL YOU WANT. You have yet to convince me.
Plus if it’s so safe like you are saying, even though almost 5,000 people are dead, then why are 30 countries, such as the UK, Saudi Arabia, France, Russia, China, Japan, Nigeria, etc..., are banning people from the Ebola stricken countries???
Without being snarky, just stating the facts... there is a wide range of intelligence in the American population. Some are educated and intelligent, others are not. Ebola doesn't seek out only those who take the time and have the intelligence to understand the difference. If the message is "you can get Ebola from someone's sneeze" gets across the point that "you can get Ebola from someone's sneeze", and it is the truth that "you can get Ebola from someone's sneeze", then what is the point of making the message more complicated?
The average person needs to stop being a moron, and they won’t stop until we MAKE them.
I don't think the average person is a moron. I think the average person has a domain of knowledge, and a set of interests. Not everyone can know the technical details of every field of knowledge. The technical details of the difference between the epidemiological definitions of "airborne" and "aerosolized droplets" is not, in my opinion, something the average person needs to know, especially when it will change nothing in the precautions they need to take in an epidemic, and when the point is that "you can get Ebola from someone's sneeze."
But there probably won’t BE any pediatric Ebola cases in this country. In the entire 40 years we’ve known about it we’ve had a dozen or so come in with it...
And you don't see any differences in this outbreak of Ebola from the previous outbreaks?! A few weeks ago we were assured that the likelihood of any cases of Ebola in the U.S. were negligible. And what happened only a few days later? Why would a pediatric case be any less likely to appear in the U.S. than an adult case, aside from the simple fact that there are more adults than children?
But again, it’s information we USED to be able to understand. Just 20 years ago we handled it. So clearly we can again. But not if we ass-u-me we can’t. People will never be smarter than you force them to be, let them be morons they stay morons, force them to do a little learning they actually learn something.
It’s NOT making the message more complicated, using the correct terms in the correct ways actually makes the mess LESS complicated because reducing complication is why those words came to have those meanings. Complications come in when you start saying “well maybe people won’t understand that word, let’s say it this way” because “this way” isn’t going to actually cover. When you start saying sneezing then you’re leaving out coughing, breathing, puking, etc etc etc. “Not airborne” already covers ALL that in 2 words, less complicated.
If the average person can’t understand a word they used to understand 20 years ago they are indeed morons. We aren’t talking about technically detailed stuff, it’s not a genome sequence or a T rating or something hard. It’s a simple concept, one which we used to understand, time for people to understand it again.
The big difference here is this outbreak is really 2 outbreaks that dovetailed into each other. And the inevitable finally happened. We’ve known for 40 years eventually ebola would get out of Africa, the world is just too damn small and keeps shrinking. And now it happened, got a couple in Europe, got a couple here. But we have better habits here, we’re cleaner, we don’t stick dead bodies in taxis. It’s still not going to be a big outbreak here. Much like bubonic plague, which is still active in the world and can even be found in the wild here but is no longer a major plague threat because we’re better at handling this kind of stuff than we used to be. And understand the chance of catching it here are STILL negligible. 2 people caught it here, out of 311 million, that’s still basically nobody.
Fascinating, thanks! I thought the epidemiology departments always with the physics departments to determine things like fluid dynamics, etc. with regards to aerosol/droplet vectors. I suppose that makes entirely too much sense, eh?
This is a description of classic droplet transmission, which is a form of direct transmission.
It is *not* airborne transmission. An airborne virus can travel several feet or yards, and can remain in the air for up to 2 hours. Ebola cannot do that.
The CDC, WHO, and everyone else who knows anything about Ebola have *always* recommended the use of droplet precautions when dealing with Ebola and Marburg patients.
Contrary to what seems to be popular opinion, droplet precautions are far more strict than airborne precautions. Ebola can actually enter through a break in the skin, if a droplet lands there.
Interesting. Thanks for sharing.
There are punkers in England who can lob a gob farther an’ ‘at!!!
They also say you can get it on bus seats from butt sweat which also includes airline seats and toilet seats.
But don’t worry, be happy.
A link to this thread has been posted on the Ebola Surveillance Thread
According to my calculator, 1 meter is 39.3700787401574803149606299212598425196850393700787... inches, by definition. A nice long repeating decimal. Is there a Common Core lesson on those?
There are real infectious airborne diseases. And at any time, someone with such a disease could also fly into one of our airports, and get on a bus, and go to the bowling alley.
The point is that Ebola is very NON-infectious. You have to work hard to catch it. It is extremely deadly. But it isn’t hard to avoid. I don’t think the CDC has done ANYTHING to take credit for the limited Ebola issues here — in fact, it seems that there are two more infections than there should be if the CDC had been ready.
We have dozens of dead kids from a deadly strain of virus that it appears our government pretty much ENCOURAGED by their treatment of illegal immigrants. Maybe the CDC is in high gear trying to control that, but if so, they are doing it in relative secrecy.
Thanks for the ping!
“The CDC is as inept as any other government entity.”
The CDC doesn’t treat anyone. The ONLY infections obtained in this country were by nurses whose own union indicated they were NOT following CDC guidelines. Those Texas cases have now passed the deadline for transmission. The CDC has limited it to two infections in America and no deaths, and if nurses are to be believed those two infections are not the CDC’s fault either. Doesn’t sound to inept to me.
“Except it is forbidden to use these chemicals on aircraft. They are not approved.
...Strong chemicals cause copper corrosion and circuit failure. ANY product intended for use on an aircraft must be approved by both the manufacturer of the aircraft and the faa.”
http://www.faa.gov/data_research/research/med_humanfacs/oamtechreports/2000s/media/200610.pdf
This is an FAA test.
And Hydrogen Peroxide is already sold as an approved aircraft cleansing chemical.
http://www.aerovisionproducts.com/our-products.html
What this really tells me is that the governmental hierarchy is corrupt and those who are corrupt, have risen to the top.
They don’t know the basics of their profession. It’s taken them 6 months to find the time to quickly study the basics of the topic the entire profession has entrusted them to be experts, and those at the top, have impeded reporting mechanisms for the real expert professionals kept in the bowels of the organization to keep it running.
They are only now grasping the meaning of Bio-Safety Levels.
“Where did you pull those numbers from?”
I used your own link. It said
“By using an aerosolized source, HPIV1 was found to infect only 2 of 40 children at a distance of 60 cm”
“Respiratory viruses cause sneezing and coughing, which expel an estimated 107 infectious virions per ml of nasal fluid (18). Nasal secretions can travel at a velocity of over 20 m per second and a distance greater than 3 m (about 10 feet) to contaminate surrounding fomites “
But keep in mind that those test were for actual airborne viruses. Those can stay aloft for very long periods on dust particles.
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