Posted on 10/26/2014 11:08:11 AM PDT by lbryce
Appearing on Friday's Real Time with Bill Maher on HBO, Democratic Socialists of America member Cornel West said that judging Islam by ISIS would be the same as judging Christians for killing Jews and lynching blacks.
West was confused at the idea that a majority of Muslims around the world agree with the mission of ISIS. (Apparently he did not watch Ben Shapiro's squelching of "The Myth of the Tiny Radical Muslim Minority.") West maintained that only the "right-wing version of Islam" is responsible for the atrocities aimed at non-Muslims.
"The juxtaposition between liberals versus Islam is Islam is homogenous -- there are prophetic Islamic figures who argue for liberties, for tolerance, for equality -- beginning with Malcolm X There's a whole tradition within Islam that argues for rights, tolerance and equality," West said.
Maher, who has been in the hot-seat recently for famously shutting down Ben Affleck's rose-colored view of Islam, simply responded, "I don't see it." He doubled-down, if not tripled-down, saying the vast majority of Muslims agree with killing people for leaving Islam and marrying the wrong person.
West tried, albeit unsuccessfully, to push Maher's argument aside by making a startling suggestion that judging Islam by ISIS would be akin to judging Christianity by those American Christians who killed black people. He said:
The history of Christianity killing Jews, or the history of American Christians killing black people would be the only statement for Christianity. That's simply not true.
black people would be the only statement for Christianity. That's simply not true.
"ISIS is genocidal, it's fascist, it's ugly, it's barbaric -- Yes!" West agreed, but he would not acquiesce that the majority of Islam supports the those terrorists. Maher tried to make him see that this would be the same as saying, "I would never join the Ku Klux Klan, but I'm a big fan BIG fan." But West couldn't see this "connecting tissue."
Yet, Maher and West did come together on one point: blaming America for its hand in exasperating the problem. Maher said:
I'm with [West]. Let's get real: colonialism, including American colonialism, does have something to do with the problems in the Middle East -- as does poverty, as does education.
But Maher parts with West saying, "Don't throw religion out of the mix, because that's the main one."
Watch the discussion over at Mediaite.
And lets not talk about the imbalance in the black-on-white vs. white-on-black murders and rapes, or the murder rate by race, etc.
Idiots like West aren’t interested in a rational discussion of issues. All he is interested in is using race and white guilt to push his racist agenda. No thanks, I’m not playing.
I judge Islam by the Koran, ISIS, Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Martyrs Brigade, Al Shabab, Abu Sayef, Boko Haram, and the complete silence from “moderate” Muslims.
Corny’s been around since the 1980’s with his obsolete Afro & witch doctor in a cheap suit getup, pushing his radical views.
Why is anyone even bothering to listen? Corny sounds like the Black Panthers in Leonard Bernstein’s penthouse back in 1970 (”Radical Chic”).
Including their shari law when a controlling majority.
Present day, that include honor murders, stoning to death & head-chopping.
islamic free choice: Convert - Pay - Die
They would be heretics in my view and in the view of the fundamentalists.
That's exactly why so many so-called Cafeteria Muslims get killed along with us Infidels. They are nothing more than heretics and apostates.
Anyone not agreeing with his established religion should leave it. So these Muslims muddle along and try to change the religion to suit their lifestyles.
The problem these heretical Muslims have is that leaving the religion carries the death penalty.
Narrated 'Abdullah: Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."
Sahih Bukhari 9:83:17 Narrated Ikrima: Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' " Sahih Bukhari 4:52:260
In the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled Cornel West: Judging Islam by ISIS Same As Judging Christianity for Lynching Blacks, BenLurkin wrote:
“Islam that argues for rights, tolerance and equality - would violate eh basic tenet of Islam which requires submission to the Islamic system.No matter who you are.”
It also denys a basic tenet of both monotheisitic religions. Jewish and Christian dogma asserts that gift given from God is known as “Free Will”. The sad thing is it’s never presented as a counter argument to that teaching which both should condem that theological assertion. Until it is it will be with us.
http://www.theusmat.com/islamandfreewill.htm
Dhimmi and Jizya
No true Christian ever lynched a black.
Actually, the socialists are more like Islam. Death by Christians is actually not that many.
Death by Socialist is in the multi millions....as is death by Muslim.
Will the real murderer please stand up?
Socislam stood.
Moreover, the Bible nowhere instructs any Christian to be involved in lynching, or even to single out blacks or any groups for persecution.
It is copiously documented, however, that the Koran is a completely different story.
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There is a big difference. The Christian bible is against such acts of violence regardless of how a few so called Christians behaved.
The Islamic bible calls for such acts of violence against all who are not Islamic.
False moral equivalency. Killing members of other religions because of their religion is a core belief of mohammedanism.It is part of its fundamental essence. Christianity has no such core belief and no such essence. They are different in kind.
One gets the strong sense that Mr. Cornel West already dislikes Christianity and already approves of Islam including ISIS, so why does his false equivalency driven by personal bias get any press whatsoever?
He’s just making a fairly simplistic attempt at manipulating the uninformed.
How about judging Islam by:
Iranian hostage taking
Marine Barrack bombing 1983
Achille Lauro hijacking
World Trade Center bombing 1993
Khobar Towers bombing
USS Cole
9/11
Madrid train, London Underground, Boston Marathon, etc ad nausium
Cornys been around since the 1980s with his obsolete Afro & witch doctor in a cheap suit getup, pushing his radical views.
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ROFLMAO! :-D
No True Scotsman.
True. But you just can't say that there is nothing in the Bible that justifies a lot of what ISIS is doing.
The laws of war in the OT are if anything even more harsh than those of Islam. As are its rules for taking slaves, including sex slaves, from the captives.
Also, the Law of Moses prescribes the death penalty for apostasy, just like Islam. While today's orthodox Jews no longer enforce this in a literal sense, many of them hold a funeral for a family member who apostasizes and consider them henceforth dead.
The point is that basic Koranic Islam is in many ways very similar to basic OT Judaism. Judaism has moved beyond this savagery, and Christianity never was there. The problem is that Islam has NOT moved beyond this literal interpretation of its Holy Books. Given its emphasis on the literal truth of those Books, I'm not sure it can.
Sounds like West needs to take the time to read the Koran.
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