Anybody that takes at face value anything the MSM reports about anything having to do with Christianity deserves to be stupid.
I have been on the fence with Pope from the start and figured he was either going to be very right or very wrong.
I’m leaning to the very wrong side of the spectrum based on this Synod.
“Gifts and qualities” = money in the collection plate?
Gays are about 2.5% of the population. Out of that, about 1 out of 5 will go to church. So it amazes me how many churches will bend over backward compromising principles to cater to this tiny percentage of their possible population.
Gifts like AIDS?
From the FULL REPORT (just below the article) at:
Read it and weep:
“Welcoming homosexual persons
Homosexuals have gifts and qualities to offer to the Christian community: are we capable of welcoming these people, guaranteeing to them a fraternal space in our communities? Often they wish to encounter a Church that offers them a welcoming home. Are our communities capable of providing that, accepting and valuing their sexual orientation, without compromising Catholic doctrine on the family and matrimony?
The question of homosexuality leads to a serious reflection on how to elaborate realistic paths of affective growth and human and evangelical maturity integrating the sexual dimension: it appears therefore as an important educative challenge. The Church furthermore affirms that unions between people of the same sex cannot be considered on the same footing as matrimony between man and woman. Nor is it acceptable that pressure be brought to bear on pastors or that international bodies make financial aid dependent on the introduction of regulations inspired by gender ideology.
Without denying the moral problems connected to homosexual unions it has to be noted that there are cases in which mutual aid to the point of sacrifice constitutes a precious support in the life of the partners. Furthermore, the Church pays special attention to the children who live with couples of the same sex, emphasizing that the needs and rights of the little ones must always be given priority.”
"A shift in tone." They've always been considered children of God, like the rest of us sinners. And homosexual acts have always been, and continue to be, considered "disordered."
RE: Vatican document challenges Church to change attitude to gays
Love the sinner, hate the sin. What has really changed?
It’s always been like that.
isn’t it great that sinners have such power within the Church. They don’t have to change thru Christ’s salvation, they can do what they want and be pandered to in the church!!//s
If the church turns away sinners, where you all going to go? The church will be empty.
A single woman I know says she is bisexual. She is a virgin and has no kind of sex with anyone, but feels attracted to women sometimes. She loves Jesus as much as anyone I have ever met. Should she be told she is not welcome in church, whether Catholic, Baptist, non-denominational, whatever?
Is this the “man of peace”?
I think offering a welcoming home makes sense, & sounds like the Pope, but how did it acknowledge immoral mating has “an inherent goodness”?
Oops! Just read the part about valuing their sexual orientation. I would assume the Pope would turn that down, or replace the Catholic Church with ... something horrible.
And here we go. Man, I have such mixed feelings these days. Much of the time I’m angry, disillusioned, or mildly depressed but now and then I have a giddy with joy moment when I see just how everything is lining up. My Spirit has always wanted to be reunited with Jesus and I love how prophecy keeps being fulfilled step by step.
I wonder if Jesus included those who suffer from same-sex attraction when He spoke of eunuchs in Matthew 19:12?
http://biblehub.com/matthew/19-12.htm
If so, then their differing sexual desires *can* be used for God’s glory, through the practice of celibacy. I know many with SSA who honor God in their celibacy.
Prayers for the Pope and the Bishops.
I never thought I was going to say this today, but I am looking forward to the next Pope, one who plays by the rules set down by God!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3212782/posts
“The Burke/Kasper clash is therefore about much more than the treatment of divorced and remarried Catholics. This is a clash between easy going establishment Catholicism and radical anti-establishment Catholicism. The clash is between two essentially conflicting understandings of the Catholic faith in the world today. One only needs to take a quick look at demographics in a book like John Allen’s The Future Church to realize that Kasperian Catholicism is at the end of its lifespan. European Catholicism of the Kasperian sort is dead and dying. In the present Vatican climate, Burke may seem like yesterday’s man, but his underlying assumptions are the ones that will take the Church into the future.
Before the conclave of 2013, I wrote a series of articles on the cardinals on the lists of papabile. While they come from every corner of the globe, what was impressive about them is that the majority had the foundational assumptions of Burke, not Kasper. Their formation and their present environment is that of being minorities and missionaries. They are used to conflict not compromise, and the idea of a European style established church is completely alien to them. This is why the present debate in the Church must be seen in a much larger context. The current papacy is likely to be relatively short and it is fair to look forward with eyes wide open.
I expect that the next man in white will be more Burkean than Kasperian in his underlying views. He may come from the Philippines, India, Canada, Nigeria or Peru, but he will almost certainly see Catholicism as a powerful force for creative conflict with the world. He will see the Catholic religion as the power for the followers of Jesus Christ not to be conformed to the world but transformed.”
I think hell is about to be set loose on this
world and the church is taking to the side that it
thinks is going to win. New world order, one world
government, one world religion. That would explain
the popes anti-capitalist stand. The catholic
church is getting ready to accept a fascists world
government with open arms.