Posted on 10/07/2014 12:26:58 PM PDT by sunmars
The Spanish nurse who became the first outside of Africa to become infected with Ebola has been named along with her husband.
Teresa Romero Ramos and Javier Limon Romero are being held in quarantine in separate rooms at the same hospital in the Spanish capital.
Ms Romero Ramos, 44, from Galicia in northwest Spain, who is one of the medical team that treated two repatriated Spanish priests who died from Ebola, was diagnosed with the killer disease yesterday.
Their identities came out after Mr Romero asked a Spanish animal charity to start a social media campaign to stop health officials putting his dog down.
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While this is a useful start, nothing beats having your (figuratively speaking) hands on a living sample during the current epidemic.
Though they didn’t say it, this is why so many countries have been bringing home Ebola patients, so they can observe them in controlled conditions. ‘In Vivo’ is much better than ‘In Vitro’.
Humans who survive the disease or who are exposed but don’t become ill within 21 days (99th percentile) are not considered contagious. It would be interesting to know the corresponding number for dogs, who mostly don’t become ill but still are contagious for a time.
If you take samples periodically, virus might eventually turn up if the dog is infected. If signs of virus don’t show, then antibodies against the virus might be found, since even an asymptomatic dog will eventually produce antibodies.
It takes about 2 weeks to mount a good antibody response.
If the dog did not have contact with her when she was symptomatic, there is not much reason to think the dog caught Ebola. There is also not much reason to think the dog is contagious even if it did catch Ebola, since dogs do not show symptoms.
The dog just needs to be quarantined for a while, until it tests negative after 21 days, or it shows a good antibody response.
Thank you for taking the time to respond. A very good answer.
It seems back in the old days, it use to be a tale that bats would fly into one’s hair, that was the only thing that made me do a bit of a double take.
According to this webpage, that may be a “myth”.
http://susano.tripod.com/myths.html
No I do not have a lot to learn on this topic. No one knows for sure where Ebola comes from, DOGS ARE IN FACT suspect.
EBOLA LIVES FOR QUITE A LONG TIME COMPARED TO OTHER VIRUSES OUTSIDE A HOST.
And, NO. YOU sir, need to learn more about this topic.
A DOG IS JUST A DOG, YOU WOULD RATHER RISK HALF THE HUMAN POPULATION FOR A DOG!
You’re acting like a psycho PETA member. It’s too bad many here don’t have the ability to ZOT. Because you would have been gone the first time you pressed POST.
That’s a great pic. There’s another that includes Fido as a member of a metal band; the others none the wiser.
Yep. I think there might be a PETA member or two here. Government and health officials say dog may be at risk and possibly infect and ultimately kill dozens, hundreds, thousands, or millions. Instead of rushing to aid the stop of a terrible disease I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy, they rush to the dogs defense treating a soulless animal with more sympathy, aid and care than their brothers and sisters of human kind.
I find it disgusting, and they should be banned off these forums so hard their monitor cracks.
I don’t really care what you think. You have proven yourself to be a PETA sympathizing humanity hating liberal. Now flail and lash out at people who have different opinions than you while we wait for the zot.
Bla bla bla, dogs are more important than humans. bla bla bla no we aren’t going to take any preventative actions against the one week doubling number of infected spread of a 50% fatality rate virus, that makes you bleed out your organs through your pores. bla bla bla.
Yes, you do.
No one knows for sure where Ebola comes from, DOGS ARE IN FACT suspect.
No one knows where Ebola comes from, lol? Well, I guess they can go back to the bushmeat trade with no worries, FreedomStar3028 on FR says no one knows where Ebola comes from. Eat bats, let them bite you. No one knows, it's a big mystery. Oh, but kill those dogs. One paper written in 2005 says they test seropositive but show no symptoms and there has never been a single instance documented of a human being getting Ebola from a dog ... AAAIIEEEE!!! Danger, danger! We have no clue but kill dogs!
EBOLA LIVES FOR QUITE A LONG TIME COMPARED TO OTHER VIRUSES OUTSIDE A HOST.
That varies by temperature and environment. You cannot say it lives for a very long time outside a host across the board, not if you care about being accurate.
And, NO. YOU sir, need to learn more about this topic.
I am learning as much as I can. What I've learned says that there has never been a person who contracted Ebola from a dog, contrary to your strange suggestions that dogs can't be infected but they're somehow crawling with it on the outside like toxic cooties.
A DOG IS JUST A DOG, YOU WOULD RATHER RISK HALF THE HUMAN POPULATION FOR A DOG!
There it comes, go hysterical, shout and scream, get the torches. Kill them all, somebody on the intertubes said something you don't understand, you're scared and something has to die, by golly.
You’re acting like a psycho PETA member.
You're acting like a dimwitted caricature of the villagers in Frankenstein.
It’s too bad many here don’t have the ability to ZOT. Because you would have been gone the first time you pressed POST.
If much more ignorance such as you've demonstrated starts going on parade, you won't need to.
Oh no, I made a grammar error. Big deal. Unlike you I was taking care of my girlfriend all night and at the hospital and have slept less than 8 hours in the past 3 days. While you sit and spout your misanthropic garbage in what is likely your parents basement. Oh, and I also worked 40 hours this week. Get a clue PETA member. Not taking preventative action is the same as not banning citizens from these countries, but on a lesser scale. When your liver and kidneys liquefy and exit your body through your pores, at least you’ll know you stood up for a dogs right to spread around the disease that is about to kill you. Give me a break. What a joke, and not a good one.
Dogs are suspect, fruit bats and bush meat are also suspect, after the first Ebola outbreak they scoured the cave full of fruitbats testing many, and the guano over and over. Guess what they found? Not one trace of the virus. Ebola adapts very quickly, and mutates very quickly. Once it goes airborne we’re in for a world of hurt. The total infected count is doubling PER WEEK. At this rate, you will contract the virus. Stopping it will take DRASTIC PREVENTATIVE MEASURES, which include putting down pets that have had contact with infected people. The dog could be carrying a mutated strain right NOW! Infecting all those stupid enough to put a dog’s life above their own. Your misanthropic worship of animals is sickening.
You have proven you hate humanity, and are unwilling to take precautions to stop Ebola from killing millions. You’re thinking exactly like those morons in charge that won’t stop people coming into our countries from the African hot zones.
I bet you would let that dog sleep in your bed. Or would you? Would you let the dog lick your face? Are you insane?
There are infected that have NO IDEA how they got infected, took precaution and wore the correct protective gear. So mister “I’m right, you’re wrong, I love animals more than humans”. How can you possibly know what you’re saying is right. Caution first, questions later. It’s not the right time to stand up for an animals right to spread a deadly killing machine that could care less about anything you think is important. This killer does not recognize your sympathy for animals, or your reckless careless attitude. It does not care that there are borders between countries, it does not care about how much money you have in your wallet. It does not care how much outrage you have about a random dog half way around the world that is getting more sympathy, love and care then his masters who are stuck in solitary confinement hoping they aren’t going to die a horrible bleeding their liquefied guts out their pores death.
Now I am done speaking to you. You have proven to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that you have no common sense, no regard for the safety of any person, and a blatant disregard for the lives of millions. Go join PETA. You’d fit right in. Actually, I wouldn’t be surprised if you already were.
No, you just don’t understand the problem, are scared and have jumped on a bandwagon to kill what you perceive as a threat. It’s an entirely human impulse but a bad one and an ugly one. Such ignorance wrapped in fear and anger will eventually lead to killing people, it always has throughout history. Revisit this thread when you’ve had some sleep and if you don’t have the good grace to be embarrassed for yourself, there’s not much left to say. I will say I’m proud that you’ve somehow managed to be employed. 40 hours in a week? Wow. Good for you.
His wife has Ebola and he’s worried about THE DOG?
Keep the dog alive so it can be tested and monitored. For science reasons and stuff.
Dogs (like the other mammals that are the source of outbreaks) can carry the disease and be infectious for a time without showing symptoms.
Except that there are no examples of Ebola being transmitted to a human by a dog. Humans are regarded as not infectious when asymptomatic. Dogs apparently are, too. Otherwise, there would be some evidence of transmission from dogs to humans. There is for other primates. There is for bats. Not dogs, though.
People are freaking out over one paper written in 2005 that showed dogs in Ebola hot zones tested positive for antibodies to Ebola. That’s all it showed, everything else is speculation.
You very likely have MRSA in your nose, you do realize that, don’t you? Why don’t you come down with it?
a) animals (including humans) that have antibodies but have probably cleared enough of the virus to be no longer infectious, i.e., they may have small amounts of the virus but not enough to transmit;
b) animals (including humans) that are fighting off the virus successfully (and so have no or few symptoms) but who carry an infectious level of the virus;
c) animals (including humans) that are not fighting off the virus successfully (initial stages) but who show no or few symptoms yet but who carry an infectious level of the virus;
The fact that there is no direct proof of transmission from dogs is meaningless (there's no direct proof of transmission from bush meat either: by the time an outbreak is detected, the meat and carcass are long gone).
The question is: can an asymptomatic dog carry enough live virus to serve as a transmission vector? We probably don't have enough knowledge to make that judgment, but based on the disease and other animal cases it certainly seems possible.
Don't get me wrong: I feel sorry for the dog, but I don't see any reasonable alternative to putting it down and cremating the remains.
I suggest you return to the article that is the topic of this thread and read it. The dog has not been tested. They have no clue as to whether it was infected or not, they’re just going to kill it.
And even if there are antibodies present, there is no evidence in any literature anywhere that dogs can infect human beings.
By the way, there are near riots outside that apartment in Spain. People are trying to prevent the dog from being taken and killed.
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