Posted on 10/07/2014 5:38:09 AM PDT by DemforBush
NEW YORK (MYFOXNY) - Stephen Collins, the actor who played the father and pastor in the hit TV series, '7th Heaven,' is under investigation by the New York Police Dept. for allegedly molesting and exposing himself to at least three underage girls years ago...
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You’re confusing critique of the legal case against the man for support of his purported behavior.
You’re a divorced female, aren’t you?
He was trying to get help. And he was betrayed. Yes, I have more sympathy for a reforming pervert than for a backstabbing self-righteous witch.
>>>You’re confusing critique of the legal case against the man for support of his purported behavior.
You’re a divorced female, aren’t you?<<<
No, I am a divorced male, with a bitter, despicable, lying ex-wife. I am generally VERY skeptical of claims by ex-wives or estranged wives against husbands, but I listened to the tape in this case.
Regardless of the ex-wife’s motives, the guy is perverted predator and belongs in a cage.
If he is truly repentant let him spend the next 30 years cleaning bedpans and wiping vomit off of patients in the AIDS ward of a the infirmary of the prison he is sent to.
I agree with “some” of the criticism of the legal case, but what troubles me is that it seems that some of those making those criticisms (not you in particular) are, IMHO, clearly ROOTING for him to get away with his crimes.
The vibe I get from some of them is “You can’t lock me...I mean him...up for stuff that happened so long ago and that was revealed by a bitter ex wife.
>>>He was trying to get help. And he was betrayed. Yes, I have more sympathy for a reforming pervert than for a backstabbing self-righteous witch.<<<
Let him get “help” in a state prison. There is no room for this sort of misguided “sympathy” for a monster who would do such things to children.
Was he really trying to “get help” or weasel his way out of the consequences of what he had done, after his wife busted him?
So a woman who tries to bring a child predator to justice is a “backstabbing self-righteous witch”? It makes me shudder to think what the source of your feelings might be.
I just saw him in Star Trek: The Motion Picture (’78?). Was trying to place his name. Now, I know.
yep....I never thought much of him one way or the other. That said anything I ever watch with him in it again will never be the same. Same with Jeffrey Jones who was in a few good movies. Those two are just the tip of the iceberg in Hollywood unfortunately according Cory Feldman.
Can you get away from the ad hominems? Your impugning my motives has little bearing on the legal aspects of the case. I could just as easily impugn yours, but in the end, I’m not sure it would add much to the discourse.
This is a high-profile case and no doubt the DA will be under pressure to bring some kind of action against Collins. But he will likely not press it unless he can get the alleged victims to come forward.
That’s my guess.
You are the one who expressed sympathy for the perverted monster and called said he was “betrayed” by his “backstabbing, self-righteous witch” of a wife.
If any child molester ever confides his crimes to me and claims to be “seeking help”, you better believe I am going to “betray and back stab” him and ANY decent, moral person would do the same.
Failing to expose his crimes would be “betraying and backstabbing” the innocent children he already molested and the ones he is almost certain to molest in the future.
And who says he was “seeking help”. My guess is the wife caught him and then he tried to weasel out of his crimes by pretending to “seek help”. Either way, he needs to be held accountable for his monstrous crimes.
There are two questions here:
Question 1: Is Stephen Collins a criminal and a horrible person?
Question 2: Can Stephen Collins be prosecuted for these crimes?
Saying he can’t be prosecuted has nothing to do with Question 1.
But a lot of the reasons why it would be a difficult prosecution (passage of time, secret recordings, no chain-of-custody, uncertain context) also have a bearing on the facts of the matter. Given all that, it could be argued that these crimes never actually happened. If they never happend, then Question 1 is answered.
But nobody defends actual molestation, if it occured.
You, FRiend, are a glutton for punishment.
LOL...yes, I am. It was a Classic Sci-Fi channel, on a flight. Picture only...no sound.
It would have been perfectly reasonable for Collins to expect a therapy session to be confidential.
If he was just a “weasel,” why would he admit in front of a group that he had done anything wrong? You have no more reason to believe he’s a weasel than I have to believe he’s not. But you’ve already decided that he’s just playing the system.
In any case, my interest in this thread was in pointing out what I perceive to be the legal challenges in prosecuting him. Since it’s degenerated into a name-calling spitting match, I’ll decline any further participation.
You pointed out some legal challenges (some of which I agree are valid), but you also expressed sympathy for the perv and disdain for and insulted the poor woman who wound up married to the perv.
In your book: Child molester = victim of his “problem” and “backstabbing self-righteous witch of a wife” who “betrayed” him by refusing to hide his crimes against children.
There are two questions here:
Question 1: Is Stephen Collins a criminal and a horrible person?
Question 2: Can Stephen Collins be prosecuted for these crimes?
>>>Saying he can’t be prosecuted has nothing to do with Question 1.
But a lot of the reasons why it would be a difficult prosecution (passage of time, secret recordings, no chain-of-custody, uncertain context) also have a bearing on the facts of the matter. Given all that, it could be argued that these crimes never actually happened. If they never happend, then Question 1 is answered.
But nobody defends actual molestation, if it occured.<<<
I agree that his guilt and the DA’s ability to prosecute him are 2 separate matters. With victim cooperation it could be a tough case, without it a pretty much impossible one.
If you listen to the recording the context is very clear, especially regarding the wife’s relative. He clearly admits that he exposed himself to her multiple times when she was 11, 12 and 13 years old, and that at least once, he put her hand on his penis. I tend to believe a lot more went on than he admits, but that alone is a despicable crime.
He then makes more vague references to incidents (in context, presumably similar ones) with 2 other girls.
My main objection was to a poster commenting that he was “betrayed” by a “backstabbing, self-righteous witch” while he was “seeking help” for his “problem”. That poster is making the child molester into the “victim” of his ex wife and therapist. That sort of thinking makes the hair on my neck stand up.
The dad from “7th Heaven” (I wonder if they’ll stop syndicating it), and co-star of “Star Trek: The Motion Picture”, exposed himself to several little girls and touched at least one of them. Told his shrink in session with his wife, wife taped it for use in their divorce.
Wow. 7th Heaven.
Who was that actor that was arrested for kiddy porn (boys?) Looking it up, Jeffrey Jones. He actually has a new role in an alleged “movie”
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3488056/reference
I never would have guessed Stephen Collins, he seemed like one of the more decent people in show business.
Well, we don’t really know these people. If this is true, he needs some serious psychological help. People that do this may not necessarily be “criminal”, but mentally ill.
You really want to lay claim to this horrible person?
From what I can tell it looks like he gave to Obama and the DNC.
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Fun Fact about a guy who sounds like the opposite of good, clean fun:
His full name is Stephen Weaver Collins. His middle name, Weaver, is a family name on his mother's side. His great-great grandfather was General James B. Weaver, the 1880 Greenback party candidate and the 1892 Populist party candidate for President of the United States. In 1892, General Weaver won 22 electoral votes. -- Wikipedia
Well, playing nice guys doesn’t make you one, I guess. Who wants to watch him hug “Lucy” and “Ruthie” now. My mom loved that show.
“Grant (his wife) sent the (now adult) woman an email — obtained by TMZ — in which she says, “Stephen lied when confronted 12 years ago. He said he had a hole in his holey jeans, as was the style then, and you ‘must have’ seen his genitalia one time.”
That’s a new one. Jeez.
It wasn’t that bad. It actually holds up IMO. Star Trek: Nemesis, now that is punishment.
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