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Man killed by cops after car thief alleges meth find
Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 03 Oct 14 | George Mathis

Posted on 10/05/2014 1:25:00 PM PDT by Drew68

A Georgia man was killed by police executing a search warrant obtained after a car thief told police he stole methamphetamine from the dead man’s vehicle, media reports say.

...snip...

The homeowner, David Hooks, a 59-year-old grandfather and businessman, reported the missing SUV.

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An hour after getting the search warrant, Shook said David Hooks’ wife saw camouflaged men in her yard with guns and told her husband.

David Hooks’ final act was to arm himself with a shotgun.

...snip...

Police searched the home for 44 hours and found no drugs.

(Excerpt) Read more at newstome.blog.ajc.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: donutwatch; jbt; warondrugs; wod
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To: RegulatorCountry
My guess: the car thief was believed because they were salivating over all the assets they could seize.

The guy had a nice house. Probably had a nice business too.

121 posted on 10/05/2014 4:36:44 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: NonValueAdded
“the cops were so stupid that they couldn’t even plant evidence in 44 hours worth of time!”

Unfortunately, the cop who had an entire spare meth lab in the trunk of his cruiser must not have been come along on the raid. Their only "out" was to find the lab, which they couldn't because it didn't exist.

At least the lawyer is going to make a lot of money.

122 posted on 10/05/2014 4:45:09 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: sagar

So you are a fat ass, donut munching, stupid as a rock cop? You can not read and it looks as if thinking is hard for you too. What about a I.Q. of what 68 or 70 and you have a hard time keeping the spit in your mouth?
It’s all O.K. as they be the PoPo and are always right and can do no wrong. Well CWII is coming and the cops will be the first target and will last a day or two.


123 posted on 10/05/2014 4:52:30 PM PDT by lostboy61 (Lock and Load and stand your ground!.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

“after taking over the scene at around 11:55 p.m. on the 24th of September the GBI conducted a thorough search of the property that lasted until approximately 8:00 p.m. Friday, September 26th. That search of some 44 hours conducted by numerous agents with the GBI resulted in not one item of contraband being found”

http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/local/dublin/2014/10/01/warrant-meth-raid-led-to-fatal-laurens-shooting/16538903/

If the original search was invalid, the continued search looking for the non-existent contraband would be invalid, as well. They should have limited themselves to an investigation of the hit squad. And the magistrate.


124 posted on 10/05/2014 4:53:22 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: old curmudgeon

“How does the warrant come down to the troops?”

The warrant doesn’t come down on them. Only the officer requesting a warrant and the judge own that. But participation in commando raids does come down on them.

Make no mistake, they don’t care about the right and the wrong of the warrant. They joined SWAT because it is cool to play with battle toys. And they don’t care who they harm for their thrill. It is their drug of choice. I have a low opinion of the professionalism and honor of most cops. But SWAT? They aren’t even worthy of life.


125 posted on 10/05/2014 4:54:09 PM PDT by LevinFan
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To: Georgia Girl 2
-- I also can’t believe a judge was talked into signing a search warrant. --

That "protection" is hollow. Warrant requests are essentially rubber-stamped by the magistrate. For all practical purposes, warrants are a "police word only" device. Cop wants a warrant, he gets it, period.

126 posted on 10/05/2014 4:57:09 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: RegulatorCountry

“Why not just call the owner in for questioning, regarding drugs found in his stolen car? “

Why not just call him in to pick up his car and not even mention the drugs until they have him there?
“We have your car at the station. Just come sign for it, and it’s all yours. We’re waiving the impound fees, Sir.”
Take him into custody, and then serve the warrant if appropriate.

Of course the answer is, then they don’t get to play with toys and threaten death. Make no mistake, they have no intentions of finding ways to avoid raids.


127 posted on 10/05/2014 4:59:12 PM PDT by LevinFan
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To: Drew68
And I'm not going to waste my time replying to the bootlickers on this thread.

Good idea. It [replying to the boot lickers] is like mud wresting with a pig. It just makes the pig happy and leaves you muddy.

128 posted on 10/05/2014 5:01:46 PM PDT by sport
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To: NonValueAdded

“Most states have laws that mandate the notice and that is therefore Constitutional by definition. For example, in California:”

But they still conduct the raid so fast, you have almost no response time to understand and react.
It is still, “Bam, police!” and then guns pointed at you, all within a second. That is their idea of flipping ‘notice’. You get less than a second. It still boils down to anyone can yell ‘police’.


129 posted on 10/05/2014 5:04:53 PM PDT by LevinFan
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To: sagar
"We all have our opinion and principles. Mine says that the cops are good by default, unless proven otherwise. Nothing in that article suggests that the cops were in the wrong. You can’t brandish weapons when cops have a warrant to search your house."

BS..! Don't you think maybe they should (the cops) in most cases, at least, SHOW you the warrant before shooting you, your wife, dog and kids..!

From what I read the cops made "ZERO" attempt to investigate Mr. Hooks to determine who he was...what he did for a living...talk to his neighbor...or much of anything else before whacking the guy..!

Maybe they thought he was their business competitor...

130 posted on 10/05/2014 5:05:16 PM PDT by unread (Rescind the 17th. Amendment...bring the power BACK to the states...!)
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To: sagar
then that makes your statement You can’t brandish weapons when cops have a warrant to search your house. a straw man argument...

you can NOT have it both ways, how do you know you are being served if they don't tell you???

you must have a fetish for the taste of boot polish

131 posted on 10/05/2014 5:14:24 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Same difference. One Law Enforcement Agency investigating another law enforcement agency. Same concept as the AFL investigating the CIO in an industrial dispute.


132 posted on 10/05/2014 5:20:37 PM PDT by sport
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To: Drew68

This crap will stop when those jackboots names are publicized, and their homes are burned to the ground.


133 posted on 10/05/2014 5:25:36 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: zeugma
I'm so glad you're a part of an ever shrinking minority here at FR.

And an increasingly shrinking position in America as well. Don't know if it's quite a minority yet but the cops sure are working hard to make it that way.

134 posted on 10/05/2014 5:31:26 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Rusty0604
'Hooks owns a construction company that does work on military bases and has passed background checks by state and federal authorities.

'“This is not a person who needs to be involved in criminal activity for financial gain. He did very well financially,” Shook said.'

These cops kill an upstanding citizen on a tip from a druggy car thief?

If they do any investigation before acting on a tip, they might be confronted with a reason not to play with their toys - so instead they just go in with guns blazing. It would be ironic if everyone who defends this travesty became a target of such 'police work.'

135 posted on 10/05/2014 5:39:33 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Lazamataz
YOU are the PROBLEM in America today. Anyone can yell POLICE when they bust in your house. A normal Knock and Serve warrant would have prevented this innocent man's death, but you love the tyrannical state so much, you are such a fascist scumbag, that you blame THE INNOCENT MAN FOR HIS DEATH BY POLICE.

The delicious part is that you, too, will feel the boot. And when you do, I will laugh and laugh and laugh at you.

Well said Laz. OTOH, he probably doesn't think that is true, because in my experience die-hard bootlickers are generally a part of the system, profiting off it in one way or another. He thinks he's safe, behind the blue wall of death, destruction and tyranny..

136 posted on 10/05/2014 5:41:22 PM PDT by zeugma (The act of observing disturbs the observed.)
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To: sagar

“IV. PROCEDURE

At the outset officers are directed that there are only three lawful methods upon which he or she may enter a person’s dwelling. These methods include a warrant (arrest or search-with differing rules for each), exigent circumstances, or consent.

A. Knock and Announce: Prior to considering a forced entry into a dwelling, officers must knock at the entrance and announce their identity and purpose unless one of the following circumstances exist:

1. The officer’s purpose is already known to the occupant.

2. When the personal safety of the officer or others would be jeopardized by the announcement.

3. When the delay caused by the announcement may enable the suspect to escape.

4. When a prisoner has escaped and retreated to his home.

5. When the announcement may cause evidence to be destroyed.

NOTE: If officers believe that one of the above circumstances exist prior to obtaining the warrant, they should seek judicial approval for a “no-knock” warrant by outlining the factors believed to exist in their affidavit.

(by the way - the Georgia Association of Chiefs of Police put the ‘Note’ at the bottom in bold in their materials.)

http://www.gachiefs.com/word%20doc/Chapter%209%20-%20Search-Seizure.doc


137 posted on 10/05/2014 5:41:51 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: sagar
We have a right in this country to keep & bear arms. If that applies anywhere, it especially applies in our home. We also have a right to defend our home & family from attack by using deadly force - a gun. These rights are seriously threatened by these swat team invasions.

If camo wearing or otherwise unidentified, gun carrying people are on your property, approaching your home, what part of self defense doesn't apply? When those same gunmen kick in the door, are you supposed to drop your weapon or defend yourself & your family?

Police MUST identify themselves loudly & clearly, & should repeat that announcement until it is reasonable to believe that the home occupants have been properly alerted. A loud speaker & flashing blue lights should be mandatory prior to an police assault.

This is the ONLY way these MURDERS* can be avoided in the future. If some evidence goes down the toilet, that is far better than the death or serious injury of anyone involved, police included. It also gives the police & the home occupants time to properly assess the situation.

An arrest is never more valuable than a life.

*Yes, this is murder. If you take the life of an innocent man defending his home, a man who has no criminal history, a prominent business man at home with his wife threatening no one, that is MURDER. And especially so if you didn't take the time to investigate the above info, & 6 hours after a specious tip from a busted thief you kick down the door & shoot the man. If this isn't murder it is grossly negligent homicide.

138 posted on 10/05/2014 5:51:30 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: sagar

When they don’t have a no-knock warrant and fail to announce themselves, they’re breaking the law, and can be shot like any other home invader.


139 posted on 10/05/2014 5:53:39 PM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connaît les siens")
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To: sagar

“Just following orders Judge”. Where have we heard that before?


140 posted on 10/05/2014 6:21:02 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Put lipstick on a Communist and call it a Progressive, but it's still a Communist with lipstick.)
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