Posted on 10/04/2014 6:26:22 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
NEW YORK (AP) — As same-sex marriage cases cascade through the federal courts, Republican politicians find themselves awkwardly split into three camps.
There's a small but growing number who favor legalizing gay marriage, a hard-core faction that continues to denounce it, and a sizable group in between that seems to wish the issue would disappear.
At one end of the spectrum, at least eight GOP members of Congress have endorsed same-sex marriage, and two openly gay GOP candidates for the House hope to join them.
In Massachusetts, Richard Tisei has run ads featuring his husband. In California, Carl DeMaio ran an ad showing him and his long-term partner in San Diego's gay-pride parade.
On the other flank, conservative Republicans in Congress have introduced legislation seeking to protect states from being forced to recognize same-sex marriages. One of those lawmakers is Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, a potential presidential contender who drew applause at a recent conservative gathering by saying, "We stand for marriage," and insisting that his party not shy away from "family values."
Then there's the large group in middle, not ready to embrace same-sex marriage but wary of antagonizing its supporters, including what polls suggest is a solid majority of Republicans under age 30.
Several GOP governors fit into this category, including Chris Christie of New Jersey, Tom Corbett of Pennsylvania, Susana Martinez of New Mexico and Brian Sandoval of Nevada. Each decided within the past year to back away from all-out legal fights against gay marriage.
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This is true, and all of this has been destroying our civilization to the point where we now have foreigners successfully establishing themselves in the void left behind in our own land, Places where they are so numerous and powerful that foreign flags now fly and the American flag is instead banned.
Theses are indeed lost territories, because our civilization had does so much to destroy itself over the last 50 years we can’t hold onto them. So other cultures have moved in to take them from us.
This is the future of every civilization that fails to sustain a culture of producing large(More than 2-3kids) families. The very same culture that defends and advocates Sodomy as being equally litigate to people relationships that actually produce and sustain children.
Sodomite because they can by nature never have children have also by nature no need for marriage or perminit union. That is why so few of them would even bother, while fewer and fewer of us find reason to take part in a legal contract that is no longer a marriage in anything but name.
The result is, aside from the religiously devote and self-disciplined there is no marriage, and in more and more cases people are being raised in single parent house holds. That is if they are being raised at all(remember our demographic decline?)
But those that are bing raised with out fathers are less and less likely to posses the dispelling require to become constructive rather than destructive elements of society. Look no further than the largely fatherless Black community to see how that has worked out.
As marriage declines theses populations are becoming a larger and larger share of what remains of our population, in 20-30 years its going to be a lot harder for us to contain them.
Simply put if we abandon this fight, there won’t be anything left of our civilization to fight to protect. Our Civilization’s future will be nearly as dead as the personal family future of those committed to sodomy.
“Do you seriously contend that conservatives have produced a lot of movies, TV shows and music...”
No. But then, I’m not convinced there are very many viewers for TV shows with strong moral themes. I could refuse to watch Will & Grace or Archie Bunker, but I cannot make anyone else in America watch what I like.
“For our fight is not against any physical enemy: it is against organisations and powers that are spiritual. We are up against the unseen power that controls this dark world, and spiritual agents from the very headquarters of evil.” - Ephesians 6
TV and movies reflect the values of our society. If someone had tried to air “Will and Grace” in 1958, the sponsors would have been driven out of business. If people hadn’t wanted to WATCH it, and if some conservatives had taken part in the culture war against it, then perhaps the outcome would be different. But there were plenty of us fighting the culture wars over the last 40 years, only to be cut off at the knees by fiscal conservatives who were socially on the other side.
And now those social liberals but fiscal conservatives want me to vote for them regardless of what I value. In some cases, I might. In others, I’ll feel free to turn my back on those who have hated and despised me for the last 40 years.
Quite right.
However, over time they also change those values.
“However, 10 years ago such a referendum would have been defeated by 75%+. Today by 51%. Five years from now it would probably pass in most states.”
10 years ago it would have passed by more than 75% in some places, in some places much less. We know because we have the actual voting results. In 5 years there would still be states that at least would pass it in the mid 50%-low 60% ranges or more. Of course there are states right now that would never be able to pass it again if another vote was held. These are the states that only passed them in the 50-60% ranges 10 years or so ago.
Yes, it moved very, very fast. Frame an issue as a ‘civil right’ in an era of the 24 hour news cycle and mass media and that’s what you get. Many conservatives haven’t realized it yet, their still celebrating the ‘massive’ blow when NC passed its amendment by 61% in 2012. But that was the same amount that CA passed prop. 22 by in 2000. 8 years later CA’s prop. 8 passed by 52% in 2008. So CA lost 9% on the issue in 8 years among voters. The NC of 2012 was where the CA of 2000 was on the issue.
FReegards
People in that lobby make it about them. Never mind that with the laws as they are, legality in all states is inevitable thanks to DOMA strike down. We can’t save everyone, or America as a nation. We can save and gather up some people, and convince them to do what’s neccessary to avoid the total doom at a steep cost. Sounds sad, but it is the reality we are living in. And I hope something at least opens up more people to joining up, because I sure don’t want the upcoming feudalistic era to be so lonely.
Then we as a country are already lost, and we might as well give up and let it happen. We are a nation of laws, not men. And the erosion of those laws has progressed to a point now that the very laws that were a hedge of protection have become a tool of our demise - No longer do they protect the sheep, but rather the predators. And that, FRiend, I lay more at the feet of the Republicans, than any other. Not only did they let it happen, but it is now plain that they colluded with those who would destroy us, and continue to.
What this shows to me is that the majority of those opposed were opposed because they were going along with what they saw as "normal." Now that "normal" has been redefined to the opposite, they're equally happy to go along with that.
You ain't seen nothing yet - The law is the fence. The fence is torn down. The sheep love the green grass on the other side of the fence, all ignoring the predators that walk among them (because sheep, especially young sheep, are stupid). But now that the fence is gone those who were standing in the breaches are overwhelmed, and now the predators walk within the pasture.
If good men do not fight, the decline will continue exponentially. within 5 years the battle in the courts will be about pederasty, then pedophilia, then beastiality...
Rather than cede, as you have suggested, the more desperate it becomes, the more we must fight.
I agree we must fight, I simply disagree on how we must fight.
That is why we are never going to unite. I guess Dems will win because they may not be united, but they know what is for their good (and not for our good).
Dems CATER to their base.
What will cause us to unite is when folks like you protect your conservative brethren's principles as much as you protect your own - And they will in turn, do the same for you. Nobody loses, and nobody has to take a back seat. That is called Reagan Conservatism. You might try it sometime.
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