Posted on 09/23/2014 7:46:38 AM PDT by wagglebee
James McMahon, late term abortionist, now deceased, once said: I frankly think the soul or personage comes in when the fetus is accepted by the mother.
LA Times, The Abortions of Last Resort, 1-7-1990
McMahon performed partial-birth abortions when they were legal. Its interesting what he says here one wonders what gives a woman so much power that she can create a soul just by her attitude and opinion. If the woman never accepts the baby, if she still continues to reject the baby after he or she is born, does the baby still not have a soul?
one of the greatest fears I have is that we will not have doctors to provide care; will not have places and that this procedure will become more and more isolated from womens health.
Peggy Romberg, director of Texas Family Planning Association
From a speech given to Texas Tech Medical Students for Choice, March 31, 2000
Quoted in Mark Crutcher Access: the Key to Pro-Life Victory Life Dynamics Incorporated,
Molly Yard, then president of the National Organization for Women, gave an interview with New Dimensions magazine about when a fetus becomes human being:
Q: When do you believe the fetus becomes a viable human being?
A: If you read the medical knowledge, 26 weeks is probably the earliest. As a matter of fact, I was just reading figures that indicate that a fetus born before 30 weeks has almost no chance of making it and, if it does, it is going to suffer all its life from all kinds of problems.
Q: Would you recommend 30 weeks is a cutoff point for allowing abortions?
A: I am not recommending anything. I am saying that Roe V Wade was very properly decided. It says that women have a constitutional right to control their reproductive lives, that they have the absolute right to choose it in the 1st and 2nd trimesters, and in the 3rd trimester the state has an interest
Voices of the Abortion Debate New Dimensions, 1990First of all, does it really make sense to say that this baby below (28 weeks) is not a person
But this baby (32 weeks) is a person?
Whats the huge difference between the two? Theres not much difference on a developmental level, though one does have stronger lungs than the other. Both are capable of surviving outside a womans womb. Of course, Molly Yards statistics on when the baby can survive are outdated In fact, they werent even true in 1990. Today, the survival rate of babies at 27 weeks is 90% or higher. babies as young as 21 weeks have survived being born prematurely.
Roe V Wade did allow restrictions on abortion in the third trimester, but these restrictions could only go into effect if they had an exception for the health of the mother. Doe v. Bolton, a companion case to Roe V Wade that is lesser-known, defined health in very broad terms, including emotional health, meaning that such a law (banning third trimester abortions) is toothless and cannot truly be enforced The woman could make the case that the abortion would be detrimental to her emotional well-being.
Note also that Molly Yard is not prepared to ban abortion, even after, in her opinion, the fetus becomes a human being.
Well, I was born at just under 28 weeks - and that was in 1943! It was a tough go for everybody the first couple of months (or so my parents have told me). But I have been perfectly healthy all of those years since and have lead a very rewarding and fruitful life, including over 3 decades serving in the military in both combat and combat support operations so it appears a lot of stress and physical exertion didn't bother me either.
I guess my experience (and others like me) doesn't count for much proof in the eyes of the baby, er, I mean fetus killers?
A pox on their murderous heads!
You are exactly right. Substituting “I think” (or “I feel”) for what “God says” is the hallmark of humanists.
There are many like you, I suspect. My own brother-in-law was born in 1957 at 30 weeks, 4 lbs, and was in the hospital for several weeks after. He grew to be 6’5” 350 lbs, and played in the NFL (practice squads only) for 3 years.
If any person, regardless of age, is not "supposed" to live, then they will die and there is nothing that anyone can do about it; however, if a person is alive, then they deserve that chance. Care of premature babies has made incredible advances in the past few decades and the cost has come down as well.
Why just accepting the fetus. Take it further so that if the child is born yet not accepted by the mother then that child has no soul, or even a non person.
I dated one woman who got that same treatment from her mother. She was born a preemie because her mother did drugs while pregnant. She was malnourished and told that if it was 1930’s Germany she would be sent to the “special hospital”. Yet in 1999 she got a phd in microbiology and is still doing research. She is also strongly pro-life.
These monsters are getting ridiculous, even now that they admit they are killing babies
Back when abortion was illegal the prohibition was *not* based on any doctrine about souls, any more than the existing laws against murder.
Sounds similar to something my crazy psych professor was spewing in the 70’s. That kids became autistic because their mother refused to give them her id when they are born.
Very well said!
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