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Kerry: We Must 'Put Real Islam Out There'
weeklystandard.com ^ | Jeryl Bier

Posted on 09/16/2014 6:29:35 AM PDT by RoosterRedux

Secretary of State John Kerry said Monday that to counter the ideology of the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) and its claim of a "religious foundation" for its actions, part of the strategy of the international coalition he is attempting to assemble must be to "begin to put real Islam out there." Kerry, in Paris for talks with various world leaders to build that coalition, further said that all of the Arab leaders he had spoken with earlier concurred about their focus on "real Islam and how important the Friday sermons are." The secretary of state recently said that ISIL's ideology "has nothing to do with Islam" and President Obama echoed these words, saying that "ISIL is not 'Islamic.'"

Kerry's remarks about "real Islam" came during a "roundtable discussion" with the press after the secretary met with representatives from twenty-six countries to discuss how to confront the threat posed by ISIL. In recent days Kerry has alternated between calling the action against ISIL "war" and "counter-terrorism," but in any case he downplayed the military aspect of the operation. The military piece, he said, is a "critical component", but "probably far more important" will be the effort to "start drying up this pool of jihadis who get seduced into believing there’s some virtue in crossing into Syria to fight or to join ISIL."

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Syria
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To: RoosterRedux

The only way to get Muslim countries to battle ISIS is to call ISIS Islamic. Only when Islam is smeared will they decide to get rid of the worst actors.

Unfortunately, this is a logical analysis, which has nothing to do with the reality of Islam’s evil nature.


41 posted on 09/16/2014 8:15:54 AM PDT by aimhigh (1 John 3:23)
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To: RoosterRedux

Kerry constantly exploring the outer limits of STUPIDITY!


42 posted on 09/16/2014 8:17:27 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: RoosterRedux

Strange how Washington trips all over itself supporting Islam while attacking Christianity with so-called “separation of church and state.”


43 posted on 09/16/2014 8:24:43 AM PDT by ArcadeQuarters ("Immigration Reform" is ballot stuffing)
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To: RoosterRedux

Please tell me the country in which “real islam” exists.


44 posted on 09/16/2014 8:30:01 AM PDT by JohnMac
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To: RoosterRedux

There is no “real” Islam, just Islam waiting to be radicalized. It’s not a question of IF ketchup boy. it’s WHEN...


45 posted on 09/16/2014 8:36:56 AM PDT by 12th_Monkey (One man one vote is a big fail, when the "one" man is an idiot.)
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To: JohnMac

Traitor skerry is just renewing his traitor creds. I just wish he’d act out his sel loathing by offing him self rather than punishing the rest of us. What a uber putz!


46 posted on 09/16/2014 8:38:53 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or reeducation Camp?)
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To: RoosterRedux

It is not up to us to define another’s religion to suit our polity. They have to figure out and define their own belief system.


47 posted on 09/16/2014 8:47:36 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: RoosterRedux

We are doomed. Our administration is feeding arms to our Islamic enemies all around the world, including the very worst islamonazis. And importing the enemy into USA. And all the while telling us that there is some sort of peaceful Islam to be found out there ?? Who cares? Even if a peaceful Islam could be found (Uranus?) it would be completely irrelevant and incapable of defending us from the regular violent murdering terrorist kind of Islam that’s hell bent on destroying America and all infidel/Christians/Jews We are bring sold down the river Styx straight to Hell.


48 posted on 09/16/2014 9:07:50 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: RoosterRedux

Kerry’s such a fool...


49 posted on 09/16/2014 9:44:29 AM PDT by GOPJ ("If America was a house, the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: Sacajaweau

ISLAM IS TODAY THE SAME SINCE MUHAMMAD’S TIMES.

ISLAM IS NOT, AND NEVER WAS, A RELIGION OF PEACE.

OTRANTO 1480 - MASSACRE OF CHRISTIANS BY MUSLIMS

HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF

“Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” George Santayana

800 Italians Men Beheaded in Otranto in 1480 for Refusing Islam, by the Turks, with the Approval of Sultan Mehmet II

On August 14, 1480, a massacre happened on a hill outside the city of Otranto, in southern Italy, here 800 of the town’s men were taken to a place called the Hill of the Minerva, and, one by one, beheaded in full view of their fellow prisoners. It became known as the Hill of the Martyrs. They died because they refused to convert to Islam. The 800 men of Otranto were martyrs. But due to their sacrifice, however, the Ottoman invasion was slowed and Rome was spared the same fate that had befallen Constantinople only 27 years before.

The city of Constantinople had been taken in 1453 and for 3 days its people were made slaves or killed or raped and the city was looted, all with the permission of the Sultan, Mehmet (Muhammad) II,who was then 21.Mehmet is the Turkish way of saying Muhammad.

The people of Otranto knew of the siege of Constantinople and that when that city fell the Muslims pillaged the city, but the key moment came when they reached Hagia Sophia.

After breaking down the church’s bronze gates, they found inside a huge throng of Byzantines who had taken refuge and who were praying that the city might be delivered by some miracle. The Christians were seized and separated according to age and gender. The infants and elderly were brutally murdered; the men, including some of the city’s most prominent senators, were carted off to the slave markets; and the women and girls were taken by soldiers to be raped or sent into a life of slavery.

At Otranto, the terms of the Muslims were ostensibly generous. If the town surrendered, the defenders would be permitted to live. They said no, it was repeated and again it was no. It was the city against 18,000 Muslims and it lasted 2 weeks.

Slaughter, Sacrilege, and Slavery

Turkish troops entered and killed anyone in their path. They made their way to the cathedral. As in the Hagia Sophia, the invaders found the church filled with people praying with Archbishop Stefano Agricoli, Bishop Stephen Pendinelli, and Count Largo, the commander of the soldiers. The Ottomans commanded:

1.The archbishop to throw away his crucifix, abjure the Christian faith, and embrace Islam. When he refused, his head was cut off before the weeping congregation.

2.Bishop Pendinelli and Count Largo likewise would not convert and were also put to death, reportedly by being slowly sawed in half.

3.As was the custom, the priests were murdered and the cathedral was stripped of all Christian symbols and turned into a stable for the horses. The Ottomans then gathered up the surviving people of Otranto and took them as captives.

The people of Otranto faced the same end as the Christians of Constantinople. All of the men over the age of 50 were slaughtered; the women and children under the age of 15 were either slain or sent away to Albania to be slaves. According to some contemporary sources, the total number of dead was as high as 12,000, with another 5,000 pressed into slavery.

800 Men who Survived told to Convert to Islam or Die

The Muslim commander ordered the men of Otranto, 800 survivors of the battle, those who were not over 50 and had not been already killed in battle or later, or were not children and had not be killed or enslaved, to be brought before him. He gave them one chance to convert to Islam or die. To convince them, he instructed an Italian apostate priest named Giovanni to preach. The former priest called on the men of Otranto to abandon the Christian faith, and they would get many benefits.

One of the men of Otranto, a tailor named Antonio Primaldi (he is also named Antonio Pezzulla in some sources), came forward to speak to the survivors. He called out that he was ready to die for Christ a thousand times. He then added, according to the chronicler Giovanni Laggetto in the Historia della guerra di Otranto del 1480:

“My brothers, till today we have fought in defense of our country, to save our lives, and for our lords; now it is time that we fight to save our souls for our Lord, so that having died on the cross for us, it is good that we should die for him, standing firm and constant in the faith, and with this earthly death we will win eternal life and the glory of martyrs.”

At this, the men of Otranto cried out with one voice that they too were willing to die a thousand times for Christ.

The Execution

The next morning, August 14, the 800 prisoners were bound together with ropes. The victims repeated their pledge to be faithful to Christ, and the Ottomans chose the courageous Antonio Primaldi as the first to be executed.

The old tailor gave one final exhortation to his fellow prisoners and knelt before the executioner. The blade fell and decapitated him, but then, as the chronicler Saverio de Marco claimed in the Compendiosa istoria degli ottocento martiri otrantini (“The Brief History of the 800 Martyrs of Otranto”), the headless corpse stood back upright. The body supposedly proved unmovable, so it remained standing for the entire duration of the gruesome executions.

Stunned by this apparent miracle, one of the executioners converted on the spot and was immediately killed. The executioners then returned to their horrendous business. The bodies were placed into a mass grave, and the Turks prepared to begin their march to Rome.

The rest of the history

http://www.antisharia.com/2011/07/26/800-italian-men-beheaded-in-otranto-in-1480-for-refusing-islamby-the-turks-with-the-approval-of-sultan-mehmet-ii/

ISLAM IN 1570

BEHEADING IS THE TRADITIONAL M.O. UNDER ISLAM..

THE CONQUEST OF CYPRUS AND THE HEROES AND MARTYRS OF FAMAGUSTA

The Turks came on with 70,000 men, including their shock troops, the praetorian guard of the sultan, the Janissaries — Christian youths taken as taxation from their families, trained up in the art of war, converted to Islam, and given the power of the sword and the possibility of advancement.

The Catholic defenders of Cyprus were frightfully outnumbered — by about 7 to 1 — but then again, the Knights of Malta had faced even stiffer odds. The two key points in Cyprus were Nicosia and Famagusta. The city of Nicosia held out for nearly seven weeks. Finally, reduced to 500 soldiers, it surrendered, expecting the civilians to be spared, even as the Christian troops were enslaved.

Instead, the Muslim attackers butchered every Christian they could find — 20,000 victims, murdered regardless of rank, sex, or age, save perhaps for 1,000 women and children who would be sold as slaves. The Muslims knew something about commerce, too, and those with an eye for harem-flesh tried to spare the most valuable Europeans.

That left the former Crusader fortress of Famagusta as the only defensible point on the island. Inspired by the Turks’ display of severed Venetian heads from Nicosia, the Christian soldiers put up a stiff defense and were at one point resupplied by gallant Venetian sailors.

The Muslim Ottomans have conquered Cyprus, an Island that belonged to the Republic of Venice, but the second most important city, Famagusta, resisted the brutal siege by the Turks. Men, women and children fought valiantly.

In August 1571, after ten months of resistance, the Venetian commander Marco Antonio Bragadino, forced by hunger, enter negotiations with the Turks. Terms were agreed: The garrison would be exiled, the people spared. The troops were disarmed and boarded transports — and then they and their commanders were slaughtered. But for Marco Antonio, the Mohammedans reserved a special torture. He was not killed immediately. Instead, his nose and ears were severed, and, as T. C. F. Hopkins has it in Confrontation at Lepanto:

He was pilloried in Famagusta and dragged around the Ottoman camp in nothing but a loincloth and a donkey’s saddle and made to kiss the ground in front of Lala Mustapha’s tent. The Ottoman soldiers were encouraged to throw garbage and excrement on him, and to mock his misery, and to pull hairs from his beard . . . Lala Mustapha himself came out to spit on the Venetian and to empty his chamber pot over the old man’s head . . .

And even that was not the end of it. Marco Antonio — still, for the moment, alive — was flayed, skinned like a trophy, and then his corpse was stuffed and sent to the sultan, who had the prize stored in a warehouse of other human trophies — a slave prison.

ISLAM IN THE XXI CENTURY

MUSLIMS MASSACRE CHRISTIANS IN NIGERIA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ahz3BEhkyho

WHO ARE NIGERIA’S BOKO HARAM?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VN_7A3mNKg&feature=player_detailpage

Those who maintain that understanding jihad as a holy war constitutes a sort of deviation from the true Islamic tradition are therefore not telling the truth, and history sadly demonstrates that violence has characterized Islam since its origin, and that Mohammed himself systematically.


50 posted on 09/16/2014 9:49:19 AM PDT by Dqban22
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To: RoosterRedux

“Real Islam” is burning, raping, murdering, stealing, torturing ...


51 posted on 09/16/2014 9:51:21 AM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: GOPJ

This is like Chamberlain saying (which even he did not), “the Nazi’s aren’t the REAL Germany. We need to get the real Germany out there.”


52 posted on 09/16/2014 9:53:55 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

If “out there” means somewhere in deep space, count me in.


53 posted on 09/16/2014 10:04:21 AM PDT by DPMD
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To: NEMDF

The USA needs to go to Cairo and meet with the Grand Mufti and get a definition of Islam and a rejection of the Tactics of IS-—FROM a respected member of the Religion. Islam needs a reformation in a big way. Christians killed over 2 million witches before they dumped that part of their religion. Islam needs to be humbled and changed from the inside out—Reformers do exist—many are in Egypt Too. They are not the Crazy 10th Century people who run IS.


54 posted on 09/16/2014 1:25:10 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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