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Agreed, Sherman.

I did finally see a very slow speed of this on FOX, so I could finally see his fuzzy hand touching her face at one point. I think now there is no doubt he did something with her face, just not sure exactly what. It is still unclear, no matter how everyone wants outrage.

Your post is spot on. Likewise your replies regarding how he did not simply drag her out so carelessly.

Neither is it considered how drunk they were, which was repeated over again months ago, with witnesses. Especially the woman, whom I recall was described as aggressive in the bar area. They were both arrested.

I did not see anything so horrible about Rice trying to pick her up by himself when he is tipsy and she was as well as unconscious. What was he supposed to do?

And, he is NOT a “big guy”, a common refrain here as if all footballers are huge dudes. I assure you, Rice is not at all big. Not even this woman’s height.

Thanks. I found it interesting how different the video was from all the reports I read before seeing it.

To my mind this is what says something important about our society. We have a LOT of people with a strongly focused desire to find something “wrong with men” that must be fixed.

Look up Erin Pizzey. She is a Brit who founded the “safe shelter” movement for women. She began to notice that many if not most of the women who came in didn’t fit the “helpless victim of evil man” meme.

After years of study and compiling data, she determined that upwards of 60% of the women involved in these relationships were in a psychological sense controlling it. They were, in her terms, addicts to psychological drama. They got a psychologica charge out of each of the stages: needling the guy till he beat her up, the beating itself, the aftermath in which everybody rallies round and comforts her, the apologies by her man. Then the cycle starts again.

She also recognized two other basic types of violent domestic relationships: about 40% of those who turned up in her shelters fit the traditional notion of female victim - male sadist. Then there were the violent relationships where both parties were more or less equal offenders. These tended not to come to the shelters.

For her heresy she was drummed out of the women’s movement in UK, and was harassed so comprehensively she had to leave the country.

IOW, domestic violence is a real and deep-seated problem. We’re unable to deal with the facts of how it works because we insist on seeing it through ideological lenses, not as most of it really is. Very sad.