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Sherman actually has something here. The trouble I've had with support for "moderate" Muslims has been that we have no reliable intelligence that would enable us to keep it from going to the very bad guys we're possibly fighting. Even more, as it stands now, the most likely effect of our involvement against ISIS will be a de facto alliance with Iran that will enable the Iranians to get their much-craved nukes. IOW the Mahdi will lead us from the frying pan to the fire, something he no doubt craves to do.

The solution to this, painful and expensive as it seems, is to regard Iran and ISIS as two sides of the same coin, radical Islamic terrorism, and to attack both simultaneously. If done decisively, that would eliminate the entire threat. Equally important, it would enable us to view Assad as no more than the somewhat irritating, but not really threatening, typical Mudlsime dictator that he would be and leave him in place to control the really rabid Mudslimes that are a serious threat to both of us.

Turning back to representative Sherman, this means his idea of a full debate, before giving the Mahdi the money he's asked for, is an excellent idea because it will reinforce Congress' constitutional role in war making and enable Congress to force the Mahdi to explain his war objectives, including how he will avoid turning the USAF into Iran's de facto air force and giving de facto consent to Iran's nuclear program.

1 posted on 09/10/2014 10:44:03 AM PDT by libstripper
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BS says that if ISIS is destroyed, then forces will arise that are nearly as evil as ISIS itself. In other words, he’s attempting to imply that if ISIS is NOT destroyed, then such forces will not arise.

BS, your initials fit you.

Apart from the logical fallacy, anyone who has been following the Middle East since the hijackings began back in the 60s, say, knows that successive Islamist groups have been getting more insane, more fanatical, more evil, every generation. In fact, you could argue that it was Israel’s (and America’s) playing footsie with Yassir Arafat for decades instead of snuffing him out with extreme prejudice the moment he raised his ugly head, that has led to our current predicament.

We have to snuff them out now, or as soon as possible, because the trend is clear: They are getting more insane every year, trying to consolidate their forces, their resources - they’re trying to build a caliphate and enslave the rest of the world. We have to destroy them. We have no choice. It’s just the way of the world. You have to keep your enemies down, or you will be put down.


73 posted on 09/10/2014 11:48:36 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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Nope. Time to play Cowboys and Muslims. I’m thinkin’ they’ll run out of jihadists before we run out of ammo.


75 posted on 09/10/2014 11:56:52 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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Hey Brad,
Don’t bother to wipe your @ss because you will just get crap on it again and it will stink just as much.


77 posted on 09/10/2014 12:07:18 PM PDT by Rad_J
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Hey Brad,
Don’t bother to wipe your @ss because you will just get crap on it again and it will stink just as much.


78 posted on 09/10/2014 12:07:19 PM PDT by Rad_J
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The solution is in turn to kill off ISIS, Al Qaeda, Hamas, Boca Haram, and every other terrorist group that murders even one innocent American or commits genocide. Eventually, a group will come to power that likes ruling enough to play within the rules we set.


79 posted on 09/10/2014 12:14:47 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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Well, looks like we have to kill em all then. Thanks for clarifying that for us, Democrats.


82 posted on 09/10/2014 12:53:12 PM PDT by Boogieman
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“If we’re nice to the crocodiles perhaps they will eat us last. If we’re really lucky they will get so full they’ll forget to eat us!”

Progressives believe a strong America is the cause of terrorism.
It’s just another thing they have completely a*backwards.

A strong America discourages terrorism.
A weak America invites terrorism.


83 posted on 09/10/2014 2:04:52 PM PDT by servo1969
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The democrat party is what brought this about.


85 posted on 09/10/2014 3:25:01 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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I think the Dim congressman is only half right.

I think if we hit ISIS with our air power, in Iraq and inside Syria (but ONLY ISIS in Syria), we have a good chance of making a stalemate between Assad and the Syrian opposition more likely and more convincing to the Syrian opposition and Assad, and then have a chance of getting them first to a truce, then political steps from there.


86 posted on 09/10/2014 5:49:59 PM PDT by Wuli
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Bill McCants on the early origin of ISIS http://www.brookings.edu/research/opinions/2014/09/11-counter-isis-strategy-mccants

Comment: When some 30 % of the present leadership of ISIS is taken out it will disintegrate in smaller sub-ISIS fighting for control and can be mopped up in Iraq by the Kurds and the Sunni tribes.

Since some 5 % of the youth population is attracted by authoritarian ideas and violence there will be Salafist terrorists for another couple of years. It is similar to the left wing terrorists a few years ago. They are just looking for a cause. I wonder what ideas will attract this type of people in 2030?

John Schindler has some good ideas on how to get rid of IS/ISIS: http://20committee.com/2014/09/11/defeating-the-islamic-state-a-how-to-guide/

88 posted on 09/12/2014 1:17:55 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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