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1 posted on 09/09/2014 12:29:56 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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b/c business people are evil capitalists who exploit workers.

and so they want to legally reduce their behaviors they don’t like.


2 posted on 09/09/2014 12:36:20 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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After two hundred years of a capitalism that has lifted the average person from an income of $3 per day to $100 per day

Actually I think 200 years ago the wage would be something like $3 per week or maybe a month..

I know when I was born in 1961 my dad was making $45 dollars per week and was supporting a stay at home mom and 6 kids.

The dollar today is not what it was 1814. The author is correct that the standard of living has greatly improved for the lowest wage earners or the average working man. But the $3 per day argument is misleading.

3 posted on 09/09/2014 1:17:13 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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Because they still believe the world is fair. They will believe this until they are waltzed right into the cage and the door slams shut.

I do think they somewhat have a point. The cost of everything is rising—gas is close to 4 bucks a gallon and the average meal coming in at close to 8 bucks, well...

We raise all sorts of hades not wanting welfare sorts, maybe some don’t want welfare and are struggling to put one through school whist the other works.

Going one at a time and trying to support themselves with prices rising like hell, I can see something of a raising of minimum wage.

Since Obamacare arrived, the unskilled don’t usually get over 30 hours, figure 4 bucks on gas to and from work, a meal at 8 bucks-—12 bucks a day.

I think an extra 2 bucks and hour is reasonable.


4 posted on 09/09/2014 1:20:24 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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I don’t know. Maybe they are communists who hate the free enterprise system.


5 posted on 09/09/2014 1:28:23 AM PDT by Mark17 (If I have a son, I am going to name him Bill, George, Sue, anything but Barack Hussein Obama)
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Because evil capitalists don’t shoot back....

and Liberals are cowardly scum....


6 posted on 09/09/2014 1:28:31 AM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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Peaceful cooperation is the way to deal with businesses, consumers, workers, other Americans, and kids that aren't yet skilled enough to be worth a special-interest sponsored minimum wage.

Do you think anyone would dare to run on that platform in 2016?

How about putting the minimum wage argument much simpler.

Any worker in any job has produce enough value to justify his wage. Otherwise his employer must lower his wage, fire him or go broke.

The only person qualified to make that judgment is the employer. Politicians are in no position to judge a worker, the employer’s product production cost or the employer’s business plan. There is no one size fits all basic wage

If the employee feels that he or she is worth more than his current wage the employee can renegotiate with his present employer or seek other employment.

This is capitalism at its root. Labor is a commodity (skilled or otherwise). The market place will set the price at which labor is sold. This is why in the oil boom states of the North West wages have risen far above the national average. There is more work to be done than there are available workers.

And that is the best example of how to make wages rise. If government wishes to see wages increase government should get out of the way of those who produce jobs. And those who produce jobs are small businessmen. Government can make it easier to create jobs by lowering taxes which makes more money available to hire workers and reduce regulations that make it ridiculously expensive to start a business.

It isn’t a difficult concept. It surprises me that so many supposedly educated people fail to grasp the concept.

When government gets involved the price goes up and the available choices goes down and the economy suffers. When the economy suffers there are fewer jobs. When there are fewer jobs the labor market suffers a glut and wages fall. It is supply and demand as the author says this is Economics 101.

7 posted on 09/09/2014 1:42:05 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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“you would think that the educated, evolved people would have decided that the science was settled”

Exactly how much can a human being or any other species evolve within 200 years anyway?


9 posted on 09/09/2014 1:44:01 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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They want to remain kids forever; they want the world to sacrifice themselves for them so they don’t’ have to change and grow and make sacrifices themselves, as is the natural order of things. A job/career means that someone has to grow up and start making sacrifices and start working at making their own way in the world.

Some have hard upbringings, hard early lives, but they fail to understand that they are not the only ones who went through bad times, that they aren’t alone in this respect. I believe that the best thing in the world would be for them to understand that life isn’t about luck, strangely, they refuse to believe that they aren’t victims.


10 posted on 09/09/2014 1:46:55 AM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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Because of ENVY...


13 posted on 09/09/2014 2:28:37 AM PDT by hosepipe (" This propaganda has been edited (specifically) to include some fully orbed hyperbole.. ")
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Peacenik liberals? Lefty activists?

Socialists. Totalitarians. Criminals.


15 posted on 09/09/2014 2:49:12 AM PDT by PGalt
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Liberals will never have support if voters see that they have the opportunity and means to rise above their condition.

Every election and all the time in between, Liberals are perpetually ‘educating’ and ‘re educating’ their supporters on how exploited, dis-served, cheated, etc .that they are.

All this they do in the face of Herculean, continuously increasing effort and government largess meant TO, and succeeding IN, providing a level playing field for all.

Liberals never admit that their supporters CANNOT/WILL NOT get out of bed in the morning to WORK and APPLY themselves.

18 posted on 09/09/2014 4:22:29 AM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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socialist/fascists believe all profits should go to the state for proper redistribution. All profits except state profits are evil.


25 posted on 09/09/2014 5:08:17 AM PDT by stockpirate (This will stop when conservatives take to the streets, not before.)
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Because obviously when we go to war it is soley to protect the interests of Grrrrreeeedy Eeeeeeevil Capitalists. War for Oil and so forth.

All based on some brief excursion into Guatemala during the Teddy Roosevelt administration to recoup some moneys owed to United Fruit.


30 posted on 09/09/2014 6:13:42 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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