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To: cotton1706

Nothing new here folks. Both parties lean toward the extreme in the primaries, and lean back toward the middle for the election.

Let’s win the Senate. When we do, we can talk about strategy from there.

I hate to say it, but Obama actually stated it rather elegantly to his detractors when they complained.

“Win an election.” he said. And he’s right.

Let’s win the Senate. Hold your nose, and vote Republican. Any alternative is much, much worse. Then we can begin to move the ball in the right direction.

Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.


6 posted on 09/08/2014 6:13:30 AM PDT by Eccl 10:2 (Prov 3:5 --- "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding")
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To: Eccl 10:2
Nope. I'm not republican, I'm conservative. I don't want any liberals in charge of the Senate, especially liberal republicans.

If they get conservative, they have a chance, otherwise, forget it.

John Cornyn can whistle for his supper, but I won't be voting for the liberal in the general election.

/johnny

8 posted on 09/08/2014 6:16:00 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Eccl 10:2

“Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.”

Good Lord! That tired old cliché. Bob Michael would be proud!


10 posted on 09/08/2014 6:25:35 AM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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To: Eccl 10:2
Let’s win the Senate. When we do, we can talk about strategy from there.

How many election cycles are we going to fall for this same failed approach?

If the GOPe wins the senate in 2014, you think they'll become more conservative for the election cycle in 2016?

I understand what's at stake -- having the Democrats hold the Senate. That's an awful prospect, especially in terms of the Supreme Court vacancies.

But we don't have time to wait for the GOP establishment to become conservative -- especially if conservatives continue to prove that the GOPe strategy of actively opposing the base works.

Personally, I now believe that the only way to save this nation now (assuming such a thing is still possible) is to put conservatives in political offices and enact an agenda based on free markets, limited government and the rule of law. As long as we have a Republican party that actively opposes those ends (and we do, obviously), then I believe our only (slim) hope is drastic action.

As long as the Republican Party establishment believes that it can continue to survive by being Democrat-lite, and that it can continue to maintain power while actively fighting against the core principles of liberty, free markets and Constitutional law, it will never make the necessary change of direction.

Only when the Republican party understands that it must change or die can we hope to turn this country around. Our too-long-serving entrenched establishment politicians can still enjoy their comfy lifestyles, their wealth, power and prestige as members of a minority party. So why should they bother to change direction?

Surely a John Boehner (or an Eric Cantor -- had he not been defeated -- or a Mitch McConnell) would be just as happy to be minority leaders if the election cycle didn't go their way. Yes, they would prefer to be majority leaders, but what good would it be to them if a conservative Republican Party won the majority and then threw them out of their cushy positions and all those perks, replacing them with real conservatives?

Ask yourself -- which do you think Mitch McConnell would prefer -- a majority Republican party in which he was stripped of his position by a conservative majority, or a minority Republican party in which he could remain Senate minority leader because the majority of Republican senators were RINOs?

You may argue that we have no time to wait for the Republicans to realize that their only choice is to change or die as a viable party. But if we don't have time for that, then what makes you think we have time to wait for the RINOs and the GOP-e to pursue a "moderately marginal" course of action designed only to maintain their personal fiefdoms at the expense of a free America operating under the rule of Constitutional law?

The GOP had majority power in the House and Senate, and occupied the White House, 10 years ago. What did all that power do to move the agenda of liberty forward? Answer: nothing.

A GOP that cannot even sell liberty, limited governments and free markets to the American people is worse than useless. It is a party of tyranny enablers, and I will have none of it.

Unbelievably, today we are facing once again the stark choice between liberty and death.

Once again, these are the times that try men's souls. Conservatives need to be waging aggressive war against the totalitarian leftist tyrants on all fronts -- in the branches of government at the federal and state level, in academia, in the media, through public demonstrations, and in the voting booth.

Many argue that we must continued to vote for "the most electable conservative," which means "vote for the RINO if no conservative is running." But I respectfully disagree with that choice. I am done enabling.

If we really are to lose the greatest country in the history of the world, then let's at least be fighting for it when it goes down.

And who knows, maybe -- just maybe, if we show sufficient resolve and conviction -- divine Providence will once again provide the support that gave our founders their unlikely victory in 1776, and grant us once again the "new birth of freedom" that Lincoln called for a century later.

11 posted on 09/08/2014 6:29:37 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: Eccl 10:2; cotton1706
Let’s win the Senate. When we do, we can talk about strategy from there.

The Senate Pubs that decided they and their staffs should be exempt from obamacare, but imposed it on me and mine?

No thanks.

If they aren't conservative I won't support them. I've been a loyal party guy in the past and every time an issue came up that I needed them to fight for me they sold me out.

16 posted on 09/08/2014 6:39:42 AM PDT by wmfights
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To: Eccl 10:2

Your foolishness has already been pointed out and detailed up thread.


28 posted on 09/08/2014 9:46:37 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Eccl 10:2

“Let’s win the Senate. When we do, we can talk about strategy from there.”

Yeah.... pass it before you read it worked well for Pelosi, didn’t it...

The current position is grid-lock because the Republican controlled house and the Democrat controlled senate don’t see eye to eye. If the Republicans take the senate then there is pressure to pass legislation, to show they are doing something. Given their history of giving in to anything President Obama wants... I am quite skeptical that a bunch of Rinos are going to pass anything I want passed. When the results are bad, the Republicans get “credit” even though they compromised with Obama.

On the other hand, grid-lock means a time out until the next Presidential election when we will hopefully have the chance to elect a real conservative (like Ted Cruz!). In the mean time, Obama is solely responsible for his results. The supreme court appointments are pretty much done, that was the only thing even close to an argument... and Rinos rubber stamp those anyways.

So, please do explain how accepting Rino results now, followed by more Rino results later... is preferable to grid-lock for two more years followed by a conservative win?


30 posted on 09/08/2014 10:46:40 AM PDT by csivils
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