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To: betty boop; hosepipe; chulaivn66
Thank you so much for all of your insights, dearest sister in Christ!

Romans 1:20 does indeed drive the point home beautifully! Thank you so much, dear hosepipe!

I do take your point about the "atheist position": The main point of denying or "forsaking God" is to create a vacuum into which human cupidity and will to power can rush, without any possible limitation or resistance.

Precisely so and the consequence is the "reprobate mind":

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; - Romans 1:28

Please be sure to ping me to the answer to the "Second Reality" question!
122 posted on 09/08/2014 9:52:04 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; chulaivn66; marron; hosepipe; metmom; xzins
Please be sure to ping me to the answer to the “Second Reality” question!

Well, dearest sister in Christ, a few days have passed, and my correspondent hasn’t gotten back to me yet. Maybe he doesn’t plan to.

FWIW, lacking further information, I got the impression that what he meant about “second reality” was somehow equivalent to the idea of what is called “a new lease on life.” [No details proffered.]

Yet from the classical and scholastic philosophical point of view, what a “second reality” actually gets you is: a new lease on death.

“Second reality” has been defined by philosophy, in so many words, as a “free” construction of the human imagination (a sort of “imagination” suffering from a pneumopathological disorder [nosos] described at least as early as the 5th century B.C.), which purports to be a complete description of the Cosmos — i.e., a “truthful” depiction of the world as it is and how it works, for the purpose of describing a future which is unknown and completely unknowable in principle.

But such constructions of second realities can only be “true” on the condition that certain critical sectors of First Reality have been obliterated as improper objects of Reason, thus to be eradicated from human thought.

In general, what most post-modern second realities seem to require just to “stand up on their own legs” is the obliteration of a certain critical sector or component of millennial, I daresay universal, human historical experience. That is to say, of any notion of the spiritual, of any divine connection between God and man, thus between human existence and the world at large.

“Modern science” seems to scorn such considerations. Evidently, the scientistically-massaged popular view nowadays is that what “philosophers” do is perfectly irrelevant and risible: “For the world consists of what we scientists can ‘measure.’ And fully explains itself in such terms.”

But to state that scientific method completely displaces and renders nugatory all other human intellectual approaches to the truth of Reality is false. Philosophers “measure” at a scale that differs from the scale defining the scientific method. The reason being: Philosophers deal with universals; scientists deal with time-bound particularities.

Above I stated that to espouse a second reality necessarily involves espousing a “new lease on death.”

I would love to have further conversation regarding this topic. Yet I realize, possibly only a few (if any) readers around here would be interested in it….

I am always so very glad for your company, your interest, on these issues, dearest sister in Christ! And for your wonderful contributions to the discourse! In Christ’s Love and Peace, now and always!

123 posted on 09/10/2014 11:21:54 AM PDT by betty boop (Say good-bye to mathematical logic if you wish to preserve your relations with concrete realities!)
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