Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: Alamo-Girl; chulaivn66; marron; hosepipe; metmom; xzins
Please be sure to ping me to the answer to the “Second Reality” question!

Well, dearest sister in Christ, a few days have passed, and my correspondent hasn’t gotten back to me yet. Maybe he doesn’t plan to.

FWIW, lacking further information, I got the impression that what he meant about “second reality” was somehow equivalent to the idea of what is called “a new lease on life.” [No details proffered.]

Yet from the classical and scholastic philosophical point of view, what a “second reality” actually gets you is: a new lease on death.

“Second reality” has been defined by philosophy, in so many words, as a “free” construction of the human imagination (a sort of “imagination” suffering from a pneumopathological disorder [nosos] described at least as early as the 5th century B.C.), which purports to be a complete description of the Cosmos — i.e., a “truthful” depiction of the world as it is and how it works, for the purpose of describing a future which is unknown and completely unknowable in principle.

But such constructions of second realities can only be “true” on the condition that certain critical sectors of First Reality have been obliterated as improper objects of Reason, thus to be eradicated from human thought.

In general, what most post-modern second realities seem to require just to “stand up on their own legs” is the obliteration of a certain critical sector or component of millennial, I daresay universal, human historical experience. That is to say, of any notion of the spiritual, of any divine connection between God and man, thus between human existence and the world at large.

“Modern science” seems to scorn such considerations. Evidently, the scientistically-massaged popular view nowadays is that what “philosophers” do is perfectly irrelevant and risible: “For the world consists of what we scientists can ‘measure.’ And fully explains itself in such terms.”

But to state that scientific method completely displaces and renders nugatory all other human intellectual approaches to the truth of Reality is false. Philosophers “measure” at a scale that differs from the scale defining the scientific method. The reason being: Philosophers deal with universals; scientists deal with time-bound particularities.

Above I stated that to espouse a second reality necessarily involves espousing a “new lease on death.”

I would love to have further conversation regarding this topic. Yet I realize, possibly only a few (if any) readers around here would be interested in it….

I am always so very glad for your company, your interest, on these issues, dearest sister in Christ! And for your wonderful contributions to the discourse! In Christ’s Love and Peace, now and always!

123 posted on 09/10/2014 11:21:54 AM PDT by betty boop (Say good-bye to mathematical logic if you wish to preserve your relations with concrete realities!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 122 | View Replies ]


To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl; chulaivn66; marron; metmom; xzins
my correspondent hasn’t gotten back to me yet. Maybe he doesn’t plan to.
i.e. second reality..
---------------------------------------------------------

People looking at life thru second realitys are "used to" looking at life thru the rear view mirror(s)...
can't see the forest for the trees.. and often crash into them(trees)..

I know it strains the subject.. but it appears to me, it could be argued that there are.. (with humans)
*) second realities..
*) third realitys..
*) fourth realitys..............

(on like that)..

124 posted on 09/10/2014 11:38:39 AM PDT by hosepipe (" This propaganda has been edited (specifically) to include some fully orbed hyperbole.. ")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 123 | View Replies ]

To: betty boop
But to state that scientific method completely displaces and renders nugatory all other human intellectual approaches to the truth of Reality is false. Philosophers “measure” at a scale that differs from the scale defining the scientific method. The reason being: Philosophers deal with universals; scientists deal with time-bound particularities.

So very true!

Seems to me that Second Realities are imagined self-contained subsets of reality.

I doubt one can create a Second Reality without relying on his sense of autonomy, logic, energy, space/time, etc. So, in effect, he is choosing to retain some and deny some of what he must sense, while failing to allow that things may exist beyond his ability to sense them. Otherwise it would not be self-contained.

It truly is a disorder.

Thank you so very much for your informative and engaging essay-posts, dearest sister in Christ!

125 posted on 09/10/2014 8:57:44 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 123 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson