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To: nralife

Good point! Calories in, calories out, is is a very old school way of thinking (not that old school thinking in general is bad thing) that no longer should be taken seriously. That’s not to say that exercise and caloric intake doesn’t come into play at all. IMO, some people just want to blame the fat person for being lazy and eating too much.””

It may be old but it is still correct. The link you provided is not a referred scientific article but it does state a law of thermodynamics. The first law of thermodynamics tells us that energy can not be destroyed, it can only change form. So if the energy that is entering the body is greater than the energy leaving the body, then the body will store the energy, usually as body fat.

If we take in more energy (calories) than we expend, we gain weight. If we expend more energy than we take in, we lose weight. This is an unbreakable law of physics and isn’t even debatable.””

I guarantee you, if someone will follow a reasonable plan with work, discipline, and passion, they will lose weight. There is no magic to it, just stick with the plan and change your ways.


59 posted on 09/04/2014 12:29:52 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Neoliberalnot; nralife

“The first law of thermodynamics tells us that energy can not be destroyed, it can only change form. So if the energy that is entering the body is greater than the energy leaving the body, then the body will store the energy, usually as body fat.”

You forgot the part in thermodynamics ABOUT A CLOSED SYSTEM!

It is true that if you cut calories far enough, you will eventually lose weight. None of us can survive on nothing at all. However, the body is not a closed system. It is also influenced in how it functions by hormones, and ignoring that is silliness.

The high carb diet has been pushed by government for a long time, and we can see the results around us. Personally, I find I eat a lot more calories on a high carb diet because I’m never satisfied - but I can eat 3 eggs for breakfast and keep going fine until dinner at 6 PM. Hmmm...240 calories in 3 eggs, and it keeps me going a heck of a lot better than 400 calories in a muffin...


67 posted on 09/04/2014 1:01:55 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: Neoliberalnot
If we take in more energy (calories) than we expend, we gain weight. If we expend more energy than we take in, we lose weight. This is an unbreakable law of physics and isn’t even debatable.””

I guarantee you, if someone will follow a reasonable plan with work, discipline, and passion, they will lose weight. There is no magic to it, just stick with the plan and change your ways.

When it comes to losing weight, a calorie is not a calorie. You can eat the right kind of calories and you can lose much more weight and faster than on a low-fat diet. Didn't you see this article posted the other day? Even the New York Times, of all people, is finally getting it.

A Call for a Low-Carb Diet That Embraces Fat

When people, like myself and others, on this thread talk about "calories in, calories out," being nonsense, this is in large part our frame of reference - people losing weight (or not gaining it). Not some laboratory equation or a law that appears to not be really relevant to the discussion.

Just as the type of calories consumed helps determine weight loss, the same could be said of weight gain.

"It (calories in, calories out) is a drastic oversimplification that doesn’t account for the complex metabolic pathways that different foods go through, or the effects that foods have on our brain and hormones."

70 posted on 09/04/2014 1:15:32 PM PDT by nralife
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