Posted on 08/31/2014 4:31:13 AM PDT by goldstategop
President Putin has called for talks to discuss "statehood" for eastern Ukraine, Russian media report.
He said the issue needed to be discussed to ensure the interests of local people "are definitely upheld".
His comments came after the EU gave Russian a one-week ultimatum to reverse course in Ukraine or face sanctions.
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Kleptocracy is what we and the Europeans are evolving into as well except using the central banks. As with Russia it is a separate problem, separate from Russian nationalism. I don’t actually know (or care) how to solve Russian nationalism in countries like Ukraine, but I do know that we can’t fix it.
Russia was making these same lame arguments when they invaded Georgia, claiming they had to do it in order to discourage countries from joining NATO, an organization that has been demobalizing for years.
The Russians aren't invading countries because the United States is so evil and meddling. They are invading countries for the same reason Muslims constantly attack Israel or the United States. Not because of the Iraq-War or Jews causing some trouble for them, but because of their religion, or in the Russian case, their anti-Western ideology.
Not really. They invade neighboring countries to shore up the Russian nationalists in those countries and tear off the pieces that have enough Russians in them. They don't lob bombs airplanes at us or Israel. I would like to keep it that way.
The West is not morally equivalent to Russia, or China, or Iran, or North Korea. Relativism like this is tired old leftist trash, as if we should not mind the Russians killing people and preparing for war against us because "we are no better."
As with Russia it is a separate problem, separate from Russian nationalism.
I don't know what you mean by this, but I suspect it is very stupid.
I don’t actually know (or care) how to solve Russian nationalism in countries like Ukraine, but I do know that we can’t fix it.
Russian nationalism is not the problem in Ukraine. Russia is the problem in Ukraine. Only a minority in the East and South support separatism. The conflict itself has been in the works since 2006, with the current Russkie terrorist leaders receiving leadership and guerrilla training as far back as back then, with the stated goal of creating a independent Pro-Russian enclave in Ukraine.
Quite naive. The Ukrainians are armed well enough already. The have a Russian nationalism problem that they can solve politically. Russia has put a few hundred soldiers on the line, they are not falling to their knees.
You have no strategy for keeping it that way, except by claiming that if we do not provoke them, they will never try it, even though their state-media every day demonizes us and prepares the population for doing just that against us.
I expect Putin will probably be sending Ukrainians to Siberia if he wins.
The West is not morally equivalent to Russia, or China, or Iran, or North Korea.
Never said it was. The Russian are ahead of us on the road to kleptocracy but do not have state-run industry benefitting communists so they are not as bad as China, not as dangerous as North Korea or Iran.
Russian nationalism is not the problem in Ukraine. Russia is the problem in Ukraine. Only a minority in the East and South support separatism. The conflict itself has been in the works since 2006, with the current Russkie terrorist leaders receiving leadership and guerrilla training as far back as back then, with the stated goal of creating a independent Pro-Russian enclave in Ukraine.
Who cares?
Ukraine is fighting to be a western democracy and you oppose that. Ukraine is the result of winning the cold war. Reagan detested your kind.
Now you are really out in left field. A lot of the time we have to read Russian sources (or British, etc) to find out what is going on here. We have better lip service for freedom of the press but less actual freedom of the press.
“I expect Putin will probably be sending Ukrainians to Siberia if he wins.”
Maybe...but he’s been around a long time and other than whacking a few reporters, I don’t know of anything approaching the level of terror that the country lived under during Communism.
Do you have any info of Putin opening labor camps there?
We the United States of America has less freedom of the Press than Russia? You actually believe that? I pee on you!
The cold war was won by outspending the Soviets and arming the muslims who immediately turned against us. Our choices are repeating that or all-out war with Russia. Or apparently we can "send arms to Ukraine" and everything will be perfect.
Russia has invaded Ukraine with thousands of soldiers. There will be no political solution to the war between Russia and Ukraine. The rabid dog KGB Putin cannot be reasoned with or negotiated with. He must be put down. It will take years of killing Russian occupiers but in the end Russia will not be able to continue it’s genocidal occupation just as the much stronger Soviets could not defeat the Afghans, who were much weaker than Ukraine is today.
dissenters will be vanquished!
Putin is probably reopening Siberian work camps as we speak
4 hrs ago”
Battalion “#Aidar” captured soldiers of #Russian army 331st Airborne regiment. 3 of captured prisoners were #GRU operatives
I think the immediate strategic goals are two:
1. A land bridge to the Crimea.
2. A lessening of the pressure on the “separatists” by the Ukranian army.
Long term he probably wants some sort of partition but I think in this case he’s asking for the moon and will appear to settle for less.
Dissidents are not tolerated much in Russia
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