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Judges chide state lawyers over gay marriage bans
AP via Yahoo News ^ | August 26, 2014 | Michael Tarm

Posted on 08/27/2014 4:23:45 AM PDT by John W

CHICAGO (AP) — Federal appeals judges bristled on Tuesday at arguments defending gay marriage bans in Indiana and Wisconsin, with one Republican appointee comparing them to now-defunct laws that once outlawed weddings between blacks and whites.

Richard Posner, who was appointed by President Ronald Reagan in 1981, hit the backers of the ban the hardest. He balked when Wisconsin Assistant Attorney General Timothy Samuelson repeatedly pointed to "tradition" as the underlying justification for barring gay marriage.

"It was tradition to not allow blacks and whites to marry — a tradition that got swept away," the 75-year-old judge said. Prohibition of same-sex marriage, Posner said, derives from "a tradition of hate ... and savage discrimination" of homosexuals.

Attorneys general in both states asked the appellate court to permanently restore the bans, which were ruled unconstitutional in June. Its ruling could affect hundreds of couples who married after lower courts tossed the bans and before those rulings were stayed pending the Chicago appeal.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Indiana; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda
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To: madprof98
I think it's more a matter of libs wanting to poke a stick in everyone else's eye.

If "millions and millions" of gay people were lining up to get married, we'd have heard about it. They're not.

Even heterosexuals don't want to get married any more. If the marriage penalties outweigh the benefits of marriage for many heterosexuals, they must for most homosexuals.

21 posted on 08/27/2014 4:51:45 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Sooth2222

You are RIGHT!


22 posted on 08/27/2014 4:51:56 AM PDT by buffyt (Glowbull warming, the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on humanity.)
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To: buffyt

Which is why may states don’t have divorce on demand. In NC where I live, it takes a year of separation to have a “no fault” divorce. Spousal abuse or infidelity are the only grounds I’m aware of that allow for immediate divorce.


23 posted on 08/27/2014 4:54:22 AM PDT by RangerM
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To: John W
This is simple.
IMPEACH/FIRE the Homosexual Judge.
24 posted on 08/27/2014 4:55:21 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: John W
Because who are we to say this isn't right:


25 posted on 08/27/2014 4:59:09 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: John W

they should have argued the purpose of marriage is pro-creation. homo marriage cannot due this.


26 posted on 08/27/2014 5:03:21 AM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: buffyt

What you fail to acknowledge, or don’t realize, is marriage falls under contract law. Love isn’t part of the equation, and the thing that makes the male/female contract unique is the biological connection (largely through children).

Gay marriage “bans” (a misnomer, btw) are simply saying that the male/male-female/female palimony contract is not the same at the male/female marriage contract. There is nothing that prevents a legal contract between two individuals.


27 posted on 08/27/2014 5:08:03 AM PDT by RangerM
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To: John W

I hear that dementia is suggested when any man/ woman/ or ? cannot distinguish between skin color and Sexual Orientation— between “marriage” and fornication/ abomination. Posner is a Poser and NOT a Righteous Judge. No Judge divorced from the Laws dictated by God,Himself has any Just power to change the definition of “marriage” Jesus, that Rabbi from Nazareth called Christ directed the Pharisee who tempted Him back to the beginning (Genesis 1:27; and 2:24) It is significant that the precedents in the “Holy Writ “ do not suggest legal same sex relations— and the example of Sodom and Gomorrah for those who would afterward live unrighteous remains as valid today as when it was written in the beginning.


28 posted on 08/27/2014 5:10:41 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: John W
Prohibition of same-sex marriage, Posner said, derives from "a tradition of hate ... and savage discrimination" of homosexuals.

Nothing like an impartial judge. Rather than tradition, maybe a better reason would be same sex marriages are "unnatural".
Unnatural as in not part of nature.

Natural law, or the law of nature , is a system of law that is determined by nature, and so is universal.[1] Classically, natural law refers to the use of reason to analyze human nature — both social and personal — and deduce binding rules of moral behavior from it....Wikipedia

Natural law is a benchmark to measure how far man has deviated from the best model of survival available to us.

29 posted on 08/27/2014 5:10:46 AM PDT by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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To: John W

“It was tradition to not allow blacks and whites to marry — a tradition that got swept away,” the 75-year-old judge said. Prohibition of same-sex marriage, Posner said, derives from “a tradition of hate ... and savage discrimination” of homosexuals.


Idiot judge buys the strawman.


30 posted on 08/27/2014 5:22:56 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: Labyrinthos
Do the “many” engage in anal sex exclusively? If not a red herring especially with the ambiguous word “many”. A lot engage in fellatio and cunnilingus as well but not exclusively. The fact that the biological sexual response cycle is only completely compatible with heterosexual sex evades society's understanding in this post-modernists world.

Also the reasons you sighted of biological “problems” resulting in mixed raced offspring was born out of ignorance. This is another red herring because it's a known fact that sperm cannot fertilize feces for the purposes of making another human being as well as synthetic vibrators sex toys vagina to vagina contact, or tongues cannot fertilize an ovum.

31 posted on 08/27/2014 5:24:03 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Captain Jack Aubrey

“Posner has gone off the deep end. Doesn’t he realize that any man can marry any woman?”

Actually, the arguments started there. The problem, as Judge Hamilton pointed out, is that this argument leads to an ultimate claim of sex discrimination, and to a strict scrutiny standard. The attorneys dropped it pretty quickly.


32 posted on 08/27/2014 5:25:50 AM PDT by Kahonek
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To: agere_contra

I’ve said for many years that the law is completely fair and applies to everyone equally. You can marry as long as:

1. you are of age.
2. you are not close relatives.
3. you are not already married.
4. you are both human.
5. you are members of the opposite sex.

Problem is, homosexuals want to violate number 5. Those into beastiality want to violate number 4. Polygamists want to violate number 3. The incestuous want to violate number 2. And pedophiles want to violate number 1.

Sorry folks, it’s not marriage and not legal. Find someone who is not your brother, not your dog, not a kid, not your brother’s wife and not someone you can legally share a public restroom with.

Just because you want to do it, that is not grounds to make it legal. I want to ram passing lane nannies off the road. It’s not legal, however.


33 posted on 08/27/2014 5:27:43 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: ealgeone

They did. Vociferously. They were unsuccessful.


34 posted on 08/27/2014 5:27:50 AM PDT by Kahonek
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To: missnry

There is a good link a couple pages down on this thread regarding the risks.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/3195474/posts?page=1


35 posted on 08/27/2014 5:29:47 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: John W

CHICAGO (AP) — Federal appeals judges bristled on Tuesday at arguments defending gay marriage bans in Indiana and Wisconsin, with one Republican appointee comparing them to now-defunct laws that once outlawed weddings between blacks and whites.

Just because they are judges does not mean they are not idiots.


36 posted on 08/27/2014 5:30:09 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (I am an American. Not a Republican or a Democrat.)
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To: John W

Posner said, derives from “a tradition of hate ... and savage discrimination” of homosexuals.

Wow this man just called God a Hater..........


37 posted on 08/27/2014 5:30:59 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (I am an American. Not a Republican or a Democrat.)
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To: reg45

I read a science fiction book called “The forever war” in which our hero goes off planet in stasis to fight battles and when he returns in what, to him, is a few weeks, years or decades have gone by.

After one battle, he comes back to Earth about 150 years after his last visit and finds that homosexuality is a very big, and positive deal. I sizeable portion of the population is homosexual and it is pushed hard by the government.

The reason? Population control.


38 posted on 08/27/2014 5:33:15 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: rollo tomasi; Labyrinthos

Please don’t try to confuse Labyrinthos with the facts of life. From his posts, it’s pretty clear he’s in favor of homosexual “marriage.” I agree homosexual marriage is a physical impossibility. No matter how much same sex couples “mate,” they cannot create a union—ever. Heterosexuals may perform some of the same acts, but only heterosexual intercourse produces a natural, potentially viable union.


39 posted on 08/27/2014 5:33:59 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Proverbs 14:34 Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people.)
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To: af_vet_1981

The United States, as a nation, has rejected the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob to embrace the prince of this world. While there a sizable minority of Christians, and much smaller minority of observant Jews, who still seek to keep the commandments, those of us who read and believe the scriptures see where this is going.


Yep. And one reason I bristle when I see an American flag in a church.


40 posted on 08/27/2014 5:34:40 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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