Posted on 08/25/2014 10:16:16 PM PDT by AZLiberty
I didn’t see where they claimed to have perfected cold fusion. What I read indicated that they had figured out how to use solar energy to break the H2O covalent bonds which seems reasonable.
Next up...transmuting lead to gold.....
Scam alert.
It seems like biofuel is inadequate to meet the ever growing energy demands of our planet. The hydrogen locked up in water has always seemed like the logical energy source for the future. IMHO.
At the moment this is an absolute record for energy costs with “cold fusion” Low Energy Nuclear Reaction (LENR). It outpaces all research centers, laboratories and universities involved in the hydrogen problem of (LENR) for 20-30 years
In retrospect, it looks like they were talking about someone else; the text isn't all that clear.
Back to the original issue: The Second Law of Thermodynamics says that you will always get less energy from burning hydrogen than it took to separate it from water; in effect, hydrogen becomes a battery. If these people have a way to use solar energy to economically power hydrogen separation, they'd probably be better of just selling the solar power. Sorry, but this whole thing reeks of scam.
Solar energy, or electrical energy is what you would use for a standard process of breaking the bonds, but they are claiming transmutation and their numbers are freaking off the chart in terms of production from a given amount of water.
When questioned about that they just lean on the transmutation and the LENR process.
That’s the problem..
If it’s true, and that is one huge IF. The process, no matter how it transmutes would be huge...
But that’s again the problem.
IMHO
It takes at least as much energy to break water down into hydrogen and oxygen as is released when hydrogen and oxygen are recombined back into water (burned).
If it didn’t it would be perpetual motion.
It is as simple as that.
Everything I needed to know, right there.
No sale.
Put cheap H2 up for sale, I might buy it. I prefer it mixed with a little C. And maybe some O.
But this is more Russian BS.
/johnny
Fossil fuels is the answer. Dead ancient foliage.
Nothing beats 'em. Ever. On price point or ease of use.
/johnny
On their website they say....
‘On input of 500 watts the mini reactor produces a output of 2,797 cu feet of hydrogen per hour. (electricity equivalent of 221.5 KWH at a cost of about $1.80)”
The planet is still making the stuff..
Oh... wait..
I do have some Tom Swift books, printed on acid paper, that I'm trying to conserve. They belonged to my dad when he was a kid. I read them. Now I'm trying to keep them from rotting away.
/johnny
/johnny
LOL.....
Naw....not poop....plankton...
Those would be hydrogen bonds. Using solar energy for splitting of water is not a new idea.
What is new here, however, is the idea of transmuting oxygen into hydrogen. Normally hydrogen is far more apt to go in the other direction, just as we saw it in explosions of hydrogen bombs. You'd need to apply some comparable energy to put the toothpaste back into the tube :-) Our Sun happily survives on simply fusing hydrogen into helium. Imagine the cost of splitting O into many H's :-) Humans can do some of such things, but only to individual atoms, and only on huge particle accelerators.
Not perpetual motion. The claim is it produces energy by breaking oxygen atoms into hydrogen atoms. They don’t claim that they can rebuild the oxygen atoms from the hydrogen without putting in at least as much energy.
If it works, it’s no more an instance of perpetual motion than is fission of uranium or plutonium.
The proof of this pudding will be in the eating — or in the reliable production of cheap energy. If their claims are true, then it’s way better than Rossi’s E-Cat (if his claims are true).
This is a form of LENR, different from any described before. If the kind of LENR that Andrea Rossi and others have been talking about works, there’s no reason to believe Rossi’s is the only or the best kind of LENR. We’ll have to see.
Rossi says that his E-Cat is undergoing rigorous third-party testing right now.
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