[Yardstick]

...the closest any prepper “wants” a collapse is to have the current zeitgeist to fall of it’s own weigh so as to return to founding principles.

Exactly! This is the standard prepper mindset. You guys want collapse because you think it's the only way the country can be redeemed.

[combat_boots]

Some of us don’t think the country can be redeemed. I am in that boat.

We cannot murder the unborn. We do not govern as free people. We have not figured out a way to get people such as those in Ferguson to participate in a civil society; what lies just beneath the surface is tribalism and a refusal to contribute. Ditto for gangbangers.

I don’t know what will come. I just know that this cannot continue indefinitely.

[papertyger]

Exactly! This is the standard prepper mindset. You guys want collapse because you think it's the only way the country can be redeemed.

No, it's not. Was America supposed to capitulate to the soviets just because our best and brightest believed it would fall of its own internal contradictions?

Advising against listening those who knew the soviets could not maintain their empire without our help would have been, in retrospect, asinine.