Posted on 08/12/2014 2:31:48 PM PDT by BenLurkin
Is our climate cooling down or warming up? A new study of past climate data reveals that, despite previous belief, there has been a consistent global warming trend over the last 10,000 years, rather than a period of global cooling before humans intervened.
"We have been building models and there are now robust contradictions," lead study author Zhengyu Liu, of the University of Wisconsin-Madison, said in a news release. "Data from observation says global cooling. The physical model says it has to be warming."
Our current geological epoch is called the Holocene, and the problem Liu is describing is referred to as the Holocene temperature conundrum.
Determining the cause of these clashing findings has important implications for understanding climate change and evaluating climate models, as well as for the benchmarks used to create climate models for the future. However, the researchers stress that their recent study does not change the evidence of human impact on global climate beginning in the 20th century.
"The question is, 'Who is right?'" Liu said. "Or, maybe none of us is completely right. It could be partly a data problem, since some of the data in last year's study contradicts itself. It could partly be a model problem because of some missing physical mechanisms."
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Gee, I guess we have to throw out “data from observation” to salvage the modelers’ egos.
Simply put -
Physical data is contradicting the models.
In most any other scientific discipline that would make everyone throw out the models and come up with new ones.
Apparently in this one the models trump data.
Thats insanity of course.
Nope. It sure doesn't. It was BS before, and it is still BS.
“The question is, ‘Who is right?’” Liu said. “Or, maybe none of us is completely right. It could be partly a data problem, since some of the data in last year’s study contradicts itself. It could partly be a model problem because of some missing physical mechanisms.”
This guy is looking to compromise the science for an agenda as the science will probably take another thousand years to finally present a truth based on scientific fact.
You don’t compromise fact with BS just because you have a schedule to keep.
A mere 10,000 years ago, there was a mile thick glacier covering Buffalo, NY.
So I'm voting that, since then, the climate warmed up enough to force the retreat of the glacier.
Is it still warming? Empirical evidence says not, but we may be in an interglacial period. Geologic evidence in NY State shows two interglacial periods and three glaciated periods.
All evidence besides this has been wiped out, probably by previous glaciers.
I thought 97% of climate scientists agreed the science is settled.
However, the researchers stress that their recent study does not change the evidence of human impact on global climate beginning in the 20th century.
Nope. It sure doesn’t. It was BS before, and it is still BS.
100% PURE BS.
There is no man made global warming. The earth isn’t even warming. Follow the money, and the leftism.
True science would have long ago rejected the CO2 driven global warming theory because the actual data increasingly does not fit the projected model. However, man caused climate change driven by CO2 levels is too convenient for the liberals goal of more government control and thus cannot be abandoned. To hold on to this means of control global warming has been renamed "climate change", every sophistry must be used to explain why the earth is cooling not warming as predicted and anyone who gives evidence or questions the global warming theory is called a "denier" and is smeared as a tool of big oil etc. Even the release of the East Anglia e-mails that show absolute fraud by the global warming crowd have been whitewashed by the press.
Unfortunately it may be Obama who finally puts the nail in the global warming coffin. His reckless executive orders and new EPA rules will assure that electric rates will skyrocket and the price of gasoline will go up. Perhaps even the low information crowd will see the fallacy of global warming when they are shivering in their darkened homes.
Believe that, when 97% of climate scientists refund their research grants, and refuse to apply for any new grants.
No, no, no. We need taxpayer money to pay these climatologists more NOW. We need to expand their staff and give them power to regulate NOW. These control freaks want power to control our lives NOW. Not after more research.
Answer: the models are doodoo. Toss the models and start over. And, BTW, don't claim anything until you have predictable results. Otherwise, you look like a fool.
Is the climate either cooling or warming? After a look at the data and geological record, the answer is a resounding — Yes!
Exactly.
Also, they see their funding ending. People are getting wise to their scam.
In most any other scientific discipline that would make everyone throw out the models and come up with new ones.
Apparently in this one the models trump data.
Thats insanity of course.
That's because the conclusion of the modelers is "only a socialist United States will save the world."
If this wasn't the endpoint of the modelers' work, no one would care a fig about them.
If these so-called scientists claimed that the sky is green, then it must be true. Because, you know, “science is difficult” and the scientists must know what they are talking about.
Until those two quests are satisfied, any efforts to change the current situation is just peeing into the wind.
And just who is going to make that determination and by using what criteria?
Our wagon is way ahead of the horse.
Correction: First, we must............
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