Russia sending aid convoy to Ukraine despite Western warnings of invasion pretext

REUTERS ^ | Aug 11, 2014 | Adrian Croft and Sergei Karpukhin

[McGruff]

President Vladimir Putin said on Monday that Russia is sending an aid convoy to eastern Ukraine despite urgent Western warnings against using humanitarian help as a pretext for an invasion.

With Ukraine reporting Russia has massed 45,000 troops on its border, NATO said there was a "high probability" that Moscow could intervene militarily in the country's east, where Kiev forces are closing in on pro-Russian separatists.

[free_life]

Should have written .... ISIS and the goof in the WH house are NOT our only foes ....

[ETL 2]

See he's a misunderstood humanitarian.

The SOB is a 'former' KGB thug who has the blood of his political foes on his hands. He thinks Stalin deserves to have statues in his honor, and that the 'greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century' was the collapse of the mass-murdering communist Soviet Union.

How is it that you KGB Putin butt-kissing apologists are allowed to stay on this site?? I can't understand it.

[free_life]

But people like you don't deserve the right to advocate for those positions here.

That is your opinion, but I and I am sure many disagree with you, Greetings_Puny_Humans has provided lots of valuable information on the invasion and ongoing war in Ukraine as it has became available and he has intelligently countered the Putinista's lies and Kremlin propaganda repeatedly.

[ETL 2]

Greetings_Puny_Humans to Putin apologist/defender McGruff:
You're not Pro-Russian, you're Pro-Putinist/Neo-Stalinism.
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“the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the [20th] century” --Russian leader Vladimir Putin on the collapse of the Soviet Union...

“World democratic opinion has yet to realize the alarming implications of President Vladimir Putin’s State of the Union speech on April 25, 2005, in which he said that the collapse of the Soviet Union represented the ‘greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.’

http://www.hooverdigest.org/053/beichman.html

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“’The Black Book of Communism,’; a scholarly accounting of communism’s crimes, counts about 94 million murdered by the supposed champions of the common man (20 million for the Soviets alone), and some say that number is too low.”

Forgetting the Evils of Communism: The amnesia bites a little deeper
By Jonah Goldberg, August 2008:

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZmY0MjI1MDgyYjg1M2UwNDMzMTk2Mjk5YTk0ZTdlMWE=
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"Putin said Stalin deserves statues in his honor as much as the late British lord protector, a 'cunning fellow' who "played a very ambiguous role in Britain’s history."

http://en.ria.ru/russia/20131219/185734707/Putin-Says-Stalin-No-Worse-Than-Cunning-Oliver-Cromwell.html
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From a 2007 article titled “Putin’s Russia”...

“KGB influence ‘soars under Putin,’ “ blared the headline of a BBC online article for December 13, 2006. The following day, a similar headline echoed a similarly alarming story at the website of Der Spiegel, one of Germany’s largest news magazines: “Putin’s Russia: Kremlin Riddled with Former KGB Agents.

In the opening sentences of Der Spiegel’s article, readers are informed that: “Four out of five members of Russia’s political and business elite have a KGB past, according to a new study by the prestigious [Russian] Academy of Sciences. The influence of ex-Soviet spies has ballooned under President Vladimir Putin.” ...”

http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/8420-putins-russia

[free_life]

We got ISIS on our doorstep. Race riots in the heartland. Iraq's falling apart, EBOLA coming to our shores...

... and Russian psycho's with thousands of nukes who test our defenses even as we smack you Russkie trolls.

And lets not forget the Russkie agents working within our country undermining our security and political system. Your Russian right Russkie?

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

“’The Black Book of Communism,’; a scholarly accounting of communism’s crimes, counts about 94 million murdered by the supposed champions of the common man (20 million for the Soviets alone), and some say that number is too low.”

Thanks for the links. This number is indeed too low. The Soviet Union killed 20 million only at the minimum. Estimates range as high as 60 million for the Soviets alone, which I see as quite likely.

[Thunder90]

The Russians did not go to Tblisi because of a strong US presence there.

[hubel458]

‘’’Soviet Union killed 20 million only at the minimum’’

Yep and about 8 million of those in Ukraine they starved,

No person of any self respect in UKR would back down

in the face of russian terrorists in donbass, with all

that history behind them....no way, even if dying...

[AdmSmith]

Live Blog: Ukraine In Crisis

http://www.rferl.org/contentlive/liveblog/25416257.html

The pro-Soviet insurgents (=Russian GRU) are retreating in Ukraine, so Putin is sending a convoy to give them support through Kharkiv that as of now not is a conflict zone. It will reach the border Wednesday morning local time. This can not end well.

[AdmSmith]

The aid convoy may be a Russian cover to establish a presence in Lugansk and Donetsk.

[McGruff]

Lugansk and Donetsk are just two parts of Ukraine that don't want to be. They identify more with Russia than the EU.

I compare the situation to if Texas and Alaska would secede from the United States. Would you be in favor of bombing their cities back into submission?

[AdmSmith]

Ukrainian security forces have been pushing back pro-Russian rebels in eastern Ukraine for weeks now. Because this means a humiliating defeat for Russian efforts to annex the Donbas there is fear that the Russians will escalate. Ukraine and the rest of the world are waiting to see if Russia will admit defeat or escalate by sending heavily armed “peacekeepers” into Donbas “for humanitarian reasons” to “pacify” the area by expelling Ukrainian troops and annex Donbas.

This would make Russia an international outcast, subject to more sanctions and be a major setback for the Russian economy. The two Ukrainian provinces (Donetsk and Luhansk) which comprise the Donbas contain about nine percent of Ukrainian territory, 13 percent of the population and 15 percent of the GDP. Donbas is about 38 percent ethnic Russian.

This looming defeat in Ukraine angers Russia, where senior politicians have portrayed the Ukraine situation as all the fault of the West which was seeking to turn Ukraine into an enemy of Russia (which Ukrainians prefer) rather than a part of a Russian empire (which Russians prefer). Bad relations between Russia and Ukraine go back over a thousand years but Russians still claim Ukraine is theirs and consider any disagreement over that attitude to be a hostile act towards the Russian people. The current Russian leadership is backing this myth but that support is becoming a lot more expensive than originally expected.

Read more: http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/russia/articles/20140812.aspx

[ETL 2]

The aid convoy may be a Russian cover to establish a presence in Lugansk and Donetsk.

McGruff is one of a handful of KGB Putin supporters we have here on FR. He doesn't care one wit about any of the evil things the Russians have done, or are doing today. For the life of me, I can't understand why these guys are allowed to remain on the site, pushing their enemy propaganda.

[globelamp]

Without having to decide who I detest more, i.e. the current regime in the US, the EU or Putin et al, I can pretty surely say that you need to take a chill pill or two before you shoot up the local liquor store for carrying vodka.

[Terry1]

“I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice!”

[duckln]

The new Russia has treated us better than we have them.

The new Russia with a flat tax, pro-family, anti gay agenda, and Christian promoting policy is on the right track.

Americans can't stand to be second, and that's why all of the bigoted bashing of Putin is going on. Sad to say, too much of it on FR.

[RedMDer]

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[wetphoenix]

~The new Russia has treated us better than we have them.
The new Russia with a flat tax, pro-family, anti gay agenda, and Christian promoting policy is on the right track.

Americans can’t stand to be second, and that’s why all of the bigoted bashing of Putin is going on. Sad to say, too much of it on FR.~

After reading this thread I’m coming to a conclusion that the an estrangement between two nations is too deep to ever overcome.
A fact that there are absolutely no real reasons for such an estrangement means absolutely nothing.
Old cold warriors from both sides spent too much time getting ready for a nuclear holocaust... An idea that it’s not happened makes some strange effects on their brains. Like if their lives lost a very reason or something.
They simply want their old enemy and they want to burn. No matter what.

[duckln]

Good post and perspective.

I'm still waiting for a response from etl 2. He sounds like reasonable fellow, but we'll just wait and see.

[1rudeboy]

...Christian promoting policy is on the right track.

I'll say. Policy definitely working as intended.

Wade Kusack is the Project Manager for Russian Ministries; his specialty is religious issues in Russia. Krusack explained, “In Russia, the church is supposed to have registration. Without registration, no one has the right to practice their religion. The church was stripped of its legal registration.”

Church in Russia Closed for Holding “Unregistered” Sunday School Classes, Christian Headlines, March 19, 2014.