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US Marijuana Legalization Already Weakening Mexican Cartels, Violence Expected to Decline
Townhall.com ^ | August 11, 2014 | Cathy Reisenwitz

Posted on 08/11/2014 6:13:42 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Iron Munro; Mouton
One state in the 80’s was concerned about its number of felony violations. It was soaring mostly due to GTA. So, they passed a law making auto theft a misdemeanor. Felony rates dropped astonishingly!

Sometimes the simple solution to a vexing problem is right there in front of us !!!!!

 

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Yet vehicle thefts continued to increase. Going soft on crime does not somehow make it disappear.

41 posted on 08/11/2014 7:17:38 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: driftdiver

Sort of like what happened with the Mafia after Prohibition.


42 posted on 08/11/2014 7:21:47 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: driftdiver
What makes drugs attractive to organized crime is profit. Profit requires sales, which comes from demand. Nothing is being done to address demand. If anything use of these drugs is being encouraged.

But you have to consider that once marijuana is legal, then suddenly the drug cartels have to compete with legitimate commercial growers and distributors. There is limited competition when providing marijuana is a criminal activity. That's what keeps the prices and profits up.

But once the cartels have to compete with a Wal-Mart (for example, even though it won't be Wal-Mart), the increase in competition from legitimate commercial providers severely cuts into the profit to the point where the cartels can no longer afford to compete.

And I think you'll find that the demand for drugs is pretty constant, meaning I don't foresee a huge spike in demand just because it's legal.

Pretty much anybody who is interested in smoking pot can already get it without too much trouble.

Sure, there will be some increase in demand perhaps, but I don't think it will be that big.

43 posted on 08/11/2014 7:22:29 AM PDT by Maceman (The future must not belong to those who glorify the "prophet" Mohammed.)
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To: ltc8k6

Why aren’t we flooded with illicit booze and tobacco then?

I’ll tell you why. When the government starts generating revenue, it becomes highly motivated to defend it’s own turf.


44 posted on 08/11/2014 7:25:30 AM PDT by Usagi_yo (I don't have a soul, I'm a soul that has a body. -- Unknown)
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To: driftdiver

Only a small amount of marijuana users will go onto the harder drugs.


45 posted on 08/11/2014 7:28:21 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Kaslin

Yeah, because battling for share in a shrinking market, among violent groups, is always such a pleasant thing. Violence isn’t going to decline, it is going to increase.


46 posted on 08/11/2014 7:55:07 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Thermalseeker

... and didn’t tax your winnings.


47 posted on 08/11/2014 8:05:48 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: ltc8k6

Actually, a friend-of-a-friend spoke with a pot-head at a party a couple of months ago. We live just a few miles from the border of Mexico and the pot-heads refuse to smoke Mexican weed, although it’s cheap and plentiful here. It’s considered low quality and (believe it or not) they don’t like the pesticides.

Apparently, there’s a sweet-spot where the consumer is willing to pay the price for good drugs. Plus, they would prefer to do drugs legally and are wiling to pay a bit more to so so.

If you look at the situation with cigarettes, you’ll see that there’s a point where the price for legal items is just too high. Then the bootlegging starts again.

The trick for impacting the drug trade is for our government to not get too greedy. (I know, I know.. we’ve already lost.)


48 posted on 08/11/2014 8:18:27 AM PDT by Marie (When are they going to take back Obama's peace prize?)
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To: Boogieman

Bootleg liquor competes because some want to sell without a license (speakeasy, unlicensed bar) or paying taxes. It has little to do with availability of the product.

Same for cigarettes. Avoid the tax, make tons of money. Even terrorist groups are in the business to raise funds.

The war on drugs will just become the war on consumers.


49 posted on 08/11/2014 8:29:23 AM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: driftdiver

They’ll just undercut the government approved and taxed weed.


50 posted on 08/11/2014 8:31:42 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious they are trying hard to ignore.)
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To: Henry Hnyellar
Bootleg liquor competes

Does it? How does the size of the bootleg liquor market compare to that of the legal liquor market?

51 posted on 08/11/2014 8:44:50 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: SECURE AMERICA
America’s first foray into rolling back prohibition 2.0 is barely underway, and already marijuana prices have dropped low enough to convince some cartel farmers in Mexico to abandon the crop.

Nah, I call BULLSHIT!
These are people that kill as easily as they take a leak. Not going to give up a profitable business without a fight.

You should have clicked the link:

'Farmers in the storied “Golden Triangle” region of Mexico’s Sinaloa state, which has produced the country’s most notorious gangsters and biggest marijuana harvests, say they are no longer planting the crop. Its wholesale price has collapsed in the past five years, from $100 per kilogram to less than $25.

'“It’s not worth it anymore,” said Rodrigo Silla, 50, a lifelong cannabis farmer who said he couldn’t remember the last time his family and others in their tiny hamlet gave up growing mota. “I wish the Americans would stop with this legalization.”'

52 posted on 08/11/2014 8:49:49 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Henry Hnyellar

“Bootleg liquor competes because some want to sell without a license (speakeasy, unlicensed bar) or paying taxes. It has little to do with availability of the product.”

Well, I really don’t think there is any significant competition between bootleg liquor and legal liquor, that was my point. Maybe I should have included a /sarc tag.

“Same for cigarettes. Avoid the tax, make tons of money. Even terrorist groups are in the business to raise funds.”

Smuggling cigarettes, or hijacking shipment to resell them, sure. Is anyone growing unlicensed tobacco in fields and making bootleg cigarettes? If they are, I have never heard of it.

“The war on drugs will just become the war on consumers.”

These types of tax evasion seem more like a war on government, and a win for consumers, to me.


53 posted on 08/11/2014 9:42:11 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Vaduz
BS tons of the stuff is smuggled every day to keep up with the demand in California the DEA can’t keep up with them even the LA time reports it.

They're having to outsource to FedEx and UPS. You should have more faith in the DEA.

54 posted on 08/11/2014 11:16:58 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: Boogieman

Moonshine is quite prevalent here in NC, but it’s also expensive.


55 posted on 08/11/2014 12:02:31 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Marie

Yeah, I was in Trump Plaza the other day. Cigarette machines were there. $13.50 a pack.


56 posted on 08/11/2014 12:04:54 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ltc8k6
but it’s also expensive

corn likker? another victim of high corn prices due to ethanol as motor fuel...

57 posted on 08/11/2014 12:05:14 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: ConservingFreedom

Yes, farmers are farmers, it doesn’t matter if they are growing pot or soybeans. If the market drops out, they plant something else.


58 posted on 08/11/2014 12:54:41 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: ltc8k6
Moonshine is quite prevalent here in NC, but it’s also expensive.

Why the popularity? Tradition?

59 posted on 08/11/2014 1:47:55 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: bamahead; traviskicks; 2ndDivisionVet

I am one of the people not surprised by this, which is why I turned against the War on Politically Incorrect Drugs. Note my tagline.


60 posted on 08/11/2014 3:38:56 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (The War on Drugs is Big Government statism)
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