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To: ClearCase_guy
Well, looks like the great Friedrich Hayek, who conservatives look up to (See his classic: THE ROAD TO SERFDOM) doesn't know what he's talking about.

Friedrich Hayek’s argument, appeared in volume 3 of his Law, Legislation, and Liberty, . Here’s the crucial passage:

"The assurance of a certain minimum income for everyone, or a sort of floor below which nobody need fall even when he is unable to provide for himself, appears not only to be wholly legitimate protection against a risk common to all, but a necessary part of the Great Society in which the individual no longer has specific claims on the members of the particular small group into which he was born." (emphasis added)


12 posted on 08/06/2014 7:35:50 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I like Hayek, but I do not worship Hayek. If Hayek thought a guaranteed income was a good thing, it does not necessarily mean that a guaranteed income is a good thing.


15 posted on 08/06/2014 7:40:46 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("Harvey Dent, can we trust him?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBsdV--kLoQ)
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To: SeekAndFind

“... a necessary part of the Great Society in which the individual no longer has specific claims on the members of the particular small group into which he was born.”

Does this idea ignore that we, Americans, don’t have a caste society? The question answers itself.

Further, would all immigrants qualify? Certainly “THEY” were born disadvantagd but, how is that any American citizens fault?

All men are created equal but, no one should be guaranteed a particular outcome. It disincentives rather than promotes ingenuity and reward of at least the basic reward of a days work.

Does it not stand to reason that it would promote not only slothfulness and the use of coke but, wouldn’t there be a constant demand for COLA?

You know who would win? Ingenious men of a certain avarice who would find a way to profit from lazy azz, no good, slugs.

BTW, I got no problem with welfare as social necessity to fill a temporary gap or the aged, who at least contribute 16% of their wage to social security.


28 posted on 08/06/2014 8:15:59 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: SeekAndFind

One small passage , out of context.


37 posted on 08/07/2014 3:46:27 AM PDT by VTenigma (The Democratic party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: SeekAndFind

Please note the crucial phrase ‘when he is unable to provide for himself’. It sounds to me a lot more like an endorsement of a safety net for the truly needy and incapable rather than some sort of blanket endorsement of ‘guaranteed income for all’.


38 posted on 08/07/2014 3:52:10 AM PDT by Sasha_S
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To: SeekAndFind

I remember my high school econ-social studies teacher bringing this up back in ‘83 as part of a larger discussion on welfare. He was bringing up different approaches and pros/cons.


39 posted on 08/07/2014 5:45:29 AM PDT by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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