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Foster Father is Charged with First-Degree Murder after He left 10-Month-old Girl to Die in ....
Daily Mail (UK) ^ | July 31, 2014 | Lydia Warren

Posted on 07/31/2014 7:45:28 AM PDT by Cecily

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To: Ingtar

No, that one was in Atlanta, Georgia.


21 posted on 07/31/2014 7:57:31 AM PDT by Cecily
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To: srmorton

And the state refuses to admit the mistake. I suppose a parent could ignore the law and take a chance but so many parents are brainwashed about those stupid car seats.


22 posted on 07/31/2014 7:57:59 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Slyfox

Most cars have a button that turns the passenger airbag off. In my car, it’s always turned off. I have grandkids whom the state has said are old enough to ride in the front seat (it should be based on size, rather than age...none of their business) and I am short. I’d much rather miss kissing the dashboard AND the airbag.

As for people forgetting they have a kid with them, WTF??? How do you miss that?!


23 posted on 07/31/2014 7:58:49 AM PDT by blu
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To: MichaelCorleone
You make a good point - if the kid is in the passenger seat and you leave him in a hot car, you probably know it was intentional, lol.

Of course these stupid nanny state laws - I was forced to put my nephew in the back of the car until he was what? 18?? Infantalizing teenagers, as well.

24 posted on 07/31/2014 8:00:42 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Still Thinking

I agree. First, where’s the intent, a MAJOR element for this crime. Involuntary manslaughter. Child abuse. But not first degree murder. The pros. is starting the plea dealing a might high on this one. Were I the defendant, I’d not take any plea on this charge. Easy win.


25 posted on 07/31/2014 8:01:23 AM PDT by blu
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To: madprof98

You got that right - recently heard about an abandoned newborn who was placed with two gay guys over a married heterosexual couple in Findlay, Ohio. That’s just wrong wrong wrong. A child is entitled to a father and a mother to raise him/her.


26 posted on 07/31/2014 8:01:49 AM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: Sherman Logan

The DA must be pushing for the max charge/sentence where the jury has the right to convict on a lesser charge.

That makes sense to me. In any event - this man should serve jail time.


27 posted on 07/31/2014 8:02:06 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: miss marmelstein
no memory of the 50s, 60s and 70s

Yeah, when cars were not as safe and somehow babies weren't frying in back seat car seats.

28 posted on 07/31/2014 8:02:44 AM PDT by Slyfox (Satan's goal is to rub out the image of God he sees in the face of every human.)
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To: miss marmelstein

I suppose a parent could ignore the law ....

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I think the root issue with kids in car seats (or small kids) in the front passenger seat is the airbags because when they go off, they are apt to injure/kill the kids. I’m sure there are laws about kids having to be in the back seats because of this, but to change anything, I suspect you’d have to have no passenger side airbags or be able to disable them .... doubt if that will happen.


29 posted on 07/31/2014 8:05:15 AM PDT by Qiviut ( One of the most delightful things about a garden is the anticipation it provides. (W.E. Johns)
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To: Slyfox
People drove better in those days as well. Yeah, the cars weren't safe and I got a few whiplash injuries but better than croaking in a hot car.
30 posted on 07/31/2014 8:05:39 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Qiviut

From what I remember, those laws were introduced because of front end crashes. Could be wrong, of course.

I also hate air bags. A good friend of mine - a 5’4” woman - got burned horribly when she was in an accident at the wheel of her car. No one mentions how hot those bags are.


31 posted on 07/31/2014 8:08:06 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Cecily

If there is weight on my passenger seat when I start the car, I hear a ding-ding-ding to remind me a seatbelt needs to be buckled. How hard would it be to do something similar for the back seats?


32 posted on 07/31/2014 8:08:30 AM PDT by greatvikingone
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To: miss marmelstein

How dare you say something that actually makes sense.


33 posted on 07/31/2014 8:10:15 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: blu
What is your problem? Nowadays everyone puts their baby in the back seat. When the baby is sleeping and the parent is distracted, and they forget that the baby is in the car and voila they get a dead baby.

Before airbags, no one left their baby in their car because, distracted or not, they saw their baby as they were exiting their car.

WTF... you are talking about kids old enough to sit in the front seat. The issue is babies in baby car seats who are not able to unlock and open a door when they get hot.

I did not miss one thing.

34 posted on 07/31/2014 8:14:10 AM PDT by Slyfox (Satan's goal is to rub out the image of God he sees in the face of every human.)
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To: greatvikingone

I have a Toyota that sets up a ding-ding-ding if you breathe too loud. I actually refuse to use the seat belt to avoid the constant dinging. I strap it across the seat and sit on it! Come and get me, coppers!


35 posted on 07/31/2014 8:14:29 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: miss marmelstein

I also hate air bags. A good friend of mine - a 5’4” woman - got burned horribly when she was in an accident at the wheel of her car. No one mentions how hot those bags are.

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I’ve seen where you should allow something like 11” between you & the steering wheel so when they explode out, your chance of getting hurt is less. When I’m that far back, I’m not very comfortable with reaching the accelerator/brake pedals. I know they save lives, but they’re not the “marshmallow/pillow” experience a lot of folks probably think they are. Also, you can get hurt pretty bad when you hit the seatbelt, too.

I did see another comment where you can disable the passenger side airbag, but that won’t eliminate the law(s) about kids riding in the front. We have a local DJ, just heard him this morning on the subject of kids left in cars - he calls it “Baby Baking Season” and acknowledges that many folks find that description offensive; however, he’s not buying the excuse of people “just forgetting”. I think his opinion is colored by a good snootful of having to deal with folks in his previous profession as a police officer.


36 posted on 07/31/2014 8:18:52 AM PDT by Qiviut ( One of the most delightful things about a garden is the anticipation it provides. (W.E. Johns)
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To: Slyfox

In the old days, my mother’s arm was the seat belt - remember when mothers stopped short and their arms would shoot out to prevent kids from heading into the dash?!


37 posted on 07/31/2014 8:19:15 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Sherman Logan

Please ignore the obviously botched last paragraph. Arrgh.


38 posted on 07/31/2014 8:22:27 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Qiviut

Cops and ex-cops are completely cynical and suspicious about everything. No one can make a mistake - it’s always a crime.

I’m short so I have to be very close to the steering wheel. Driving is dangerous as is life. We can’t always be protected. Personally, I don’t like protection - I grew up with a smothering mother - give me freedom.


39 posted on 07/31/2014 8:22:59 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: miss marmelstein
my mother’s arm was the seat belt

To the day she died, when Mom was in a car as a passenger, her arm would extend over whoever might be seated next to her - each and every time the driver would touch the brake pedal.

She had dementia, but this was one of those "it stuck" responses that never left her.

40 posted on 07/31/2014 8:23:54 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (It ain't a "hashtag"....it's a damn pound sign, number sign, or octothorpe. ###)
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