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To: tanknetter

Your right, we have to show the country we are nice and play defense to win big. Being offensive might upset those precious moderates who win all the elections. After all Rove and the Establishment say so and they have never lost.

What if you led and America rallied behind you, what then?


45 posted on 07/26/2014 8:43:47 PM PDT by bray (Palin/Bibi 2016)
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To: bray
Your right, we have to show the country we are nice and play defense to win big. Being offensive might upset those precious moderates who win all the elections. After all Rove and the Establishment say so and they have never lost.

Impeachment is an inherently political act. The Framers knew so, and said so, in places like the Federalist Papers (#65, but also #51 and #69).

So you don't make the decision to impeach in the absence of considering the political environment and consequences of doing so. Impeachment can be used to remove an offensive President/Officeholder from their position (assuming the Senate goes along), or it can be used as a check upon an offensive President/Officeholder if the Senate doesn't.

But there MUST be a reasonable expectation that the act of Impeachment will achieve the desired political ends. The worst possible outcome of an impeachment is to not only leave the offensive President/Officeholder in power, but to actually STRENGTHEN their power by rallying the public to their side and cause.

That's where any impeachment of Obama is going to go. He's going to walk away stronger, not weaker. He's going to walk away with Harry Reid still in control of the Senate. He might even pick up House seats - perhaps not enough to put Pelosi back into the Speakership but certainly enough for him to claim victory and a mandate for his final two years. Probably enough to see his Democrat successor in the White House elected with a wide popular majority and an electoral landslide.

Remember the old saying that if you're going to take a shot at the King, be sure to kill him. It applies just as well in the figurative/political sense to the American Republic.

There are other ways to put a check on an out of control executive besides impeachment. A big way is to put both Houses of Congress firmly into the control of persons opposing him. There's an excellent chance that the GOP can and will do that in the Senate this Fall. And while there's all sort of griping about the GOPe and McConnell running the show, denying them a majority not only robs us of the one chance to exercise a proper check it ALSO robs guys we support like Ted Cruz and Mike Lee (or even guys we support some of the time on certain things, like Rand Paul) of being in the Majority where they can actually provide some leadership (like Cruz did during the shutdown last year).
61 posted on 07/27/2014 5:34:38 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: bray

With all due respect, “losing” is NOT “winning” — no matter how brave the soldiers or how just the cause.

Therefore, we need to pick fights that we can WIN, and we need to prepare the battle-space so that the resources we actually have will allow us to WIN.

If you sincerely want to impeach Obama, FIRST, get the majority of Americans to support your quest. THEN, succeed.

You may think that to getting yourself organized to win together is just too much work for you to do.

If so, I’m sure you will understand why I won’t be joining your little re-enactment of “Custer’s Last Stand”.

“Losing” is NOT “winning.”


62 posted on 07/27/2014 6:41:14 AM PDT by pfony1 (Add just 6 GOP Senators and we "bury" Harry)
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