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Border official points gun at Boy Scout
KCCI 8 News, Des Moines, IA ^ | 12:00 AM CDT Jul 22, 2014 | By Marcus McIntosh

Posted on 07/23/2014 8:41:32 AM PDT by Gunpowder green

DES MOINES, Iowa —A central Iowa Boy Scout troop just returned from a three-week trip they will likely never forget.

About 10 days into the trip, an innocent action by one of the nearly two dozen Scouts at the Canadian border into Alaska set off a chain of events that lead to a U.S. border official pointing a gun at a scout’s head.

Boy Scout Troop 111 Leader Jim Fox spelled out what happened to him and the Mid-Iowa Boy Scout Troop 111 as four van-loads of Scouts and adult volunteers tried to drive from Canada into Alaska.

Fox said one of the Scouts took a picture of a border official, which spurred agents to detain everyone in that van and search them and their belongings.

“The agent immediately confiscated his camera, informed him he would be arrested, fined possibly $10,000 and 10 years in prison,” Fox said.

Fox said he was told it is a federal offense to take a picture of a federal agent.

Not wanting things to escalate, Fox said he did not complain.

Another of the Scouts was taking luggage from the top of a van to be searched when something startling happened.

“He hears a snap of a holster, turns around, and here’s this agent, both hands on a loaded pistol, pointing at the young man’s head,” Fox explained.

Fox said that had them all in fear.

Ultimately no one was hurt or arrested, and after about four hours they were allowed to continue their trip into Alaska.

When he thinks about what happened to them and the fact there are people streaming across the southern border, Fox is outraged.

Charles Vonderheid with the Mid-Iowa Council Boy Scouts of America said Troop 11 learned a valuable lesson.

Read more at: http://www.kcci.com/news/boy-scout-from-iowa-is-subject-of-alaska-border-dispute/27102496#!bkxdWU

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A valuable lesson? In martial law maybe!

The border patrol can't secure the southern border, but they go all apesh*t over Boy Scouts taking pictures?

1 posted on 07/23/2014 8:41:32 AM PDT by Gunpowder green
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To: Gunpowder green

Was he recently transferred from BLM?


2 posted on 07/23/2014 8:43:00 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: Gunpowder green

Another incident but really the SOS.

Anyone who travels between Washington state and British Columbia knows how polite and professional the Canadian Customs officers are, and how thuggish and fascistic the American agents are.

Some of us refuse to subject ourselves to it as a consequence.


3 posted on 07/23/2014 8:46:14 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Gunpowder green
ALL LEO's, of every stripe are on edge.

Damned shame.

4 posted on 07/23/2014 8:46:23 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Gunpowder green

A couple agents need to lose their jobs.


5 posted on 07/23/2014 8:49:10 AM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: Gunpowder green
Fox said he was told it is a federal offense to take a picture of a federal agent.

Since when? There are pictures of Federal agents all over the Internet. This sounds like Communist China where we were forbidden to take pictures of anyone in uniform in 1983.

6 posted on 07/23/2014 8:49:32 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: USMCPOP

That would be the right thing, but it’ll never happen... the union wouldn’t allow it!

The civics lesson the Boy Scouts got is that they are no longer free in their own country.


7 posted on 07/23/2014 8:51:13 AM PDT by Gunpowder green
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To: Gunpowder green

It is so easy to pick on those who obey the law, and won’t cut your head off for an insult.


8 posted on 07/23/2014 8:52:16 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Do you mean 1984?


9 posted on 07/23/2014 8:53:22 AM PDT by glyptol
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To: Gunpowder green
You don't play games at the border. If they tell you to jump, you say "How High?.

My buddy learned his lesson about taking pictures at the border.

Were the boy scouts in uniform?

10 posted on 07/23/2014 8:54:42 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Gunpowder green

Pretty bad when the northern border is very heavily patrolled and secured, but yet the southern border is left wide open, because we have to keep out the hoards of Canadians from overrunning the border dontchya know.

Seriously, if our border with mexico was as secure as our border with Canada, illegal mexicans would be a nonexistent. Crazy, isn’t it?

The border between Canada and the US used to be one of the most free crossings in North America. Thanks to el jorge bush and juan mc cain, you can sneek an ICBM across the mexican border, but you can’t even squeak a mouse fart across the border with Canada without the border patrol coming down on you like a ton of bricks.


11 posted on 07/23/2014 8:57:38 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: rockrr

***how polite and professional the Canadian Customs officers are, and how thuggish and fascistic the American agents are.***

Absolutely true. A friend of mine found this out forty years ago on a fishing trip to Canada. Upon return they met with the most churlish American border patrol agents they had ever seen.

My friend said to his traveling companion, after leaving the friendly Canadian officials and being insulted by the American officials said...”Well, we are back in the States again!”


12 posted on 07/23/2014 9:01:11 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: factoryrat

The border patrol is useless! They should fire them all and start from scratch.

I would post Army units on the southern border, and make the northern one fairly lax.


13 posted on 07/23/2014 9:01:17 AM PDT by Gunpowder green
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To: Gunpowder green

Do the Boy Scouts have a fire arms safety badge?


14 posted on 07/23/2014 9:01:58 AM PDT by TauntedTiger (Keep away from the fence!)
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To: Gunpowder green
Two way street education moment. Boy scouts also teach patience.
15 posted on 07/23/2014 9:01:59 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: rockrr
It depends who you are and where you are going.

As a Canadian I understand the officer's point of view when I am entering the US. Do I have a legitimate reason for entry? Do I qualify for entry? Does the length of my stay match my reason for entry? Am I bringing something in that should be taxed or confiscated? Their questioning is based on these factors. I have found them, on the whole, to be polite, open and friendly, like most Americans. The best policy is "yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir".

As a Canadian coming back to Canada it is a different story. They have to let me back in so the questioning is limited to should they be collecting taxes from me or am I trying to bring in some contraband. Once my citizenship has been established I find the Canadian officers to be dismissive and disinterested.

16 posted on 07/23/2014 9:03:39 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian
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To: afraidfortherepublic
That law has been around for a long time.

It looks like the scouts were not in uniform. And our elite media are saying the "child" just took a picture.

17 posted on 07/23/2014 9:03:51 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: factoryrat

IIRC, there were several cases of “terrorist” stuff getting through the US/Canadian border.


18 posted on 07/23/2014 9:05:12 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: factoryrat

It’s almost as if they’re trying to facillitate the movement of drugs across the border.


19 posted on 07/23/2014 9:06:27 AM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: Gunpowder green
I would post Army units on the southern border, and make the northern one fairly lax.

You mean, like.....Mexico does?

20 posted on 07/23/2014 9:06:53 AM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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