Posted on 07/22/2014 7:30:07 AM PDT by gwjack
This is a breaking news story. Please check back for updates. In a potentially crippling blow to Obamacare, a top federal appeals court Tuesday said that billions of dollars worth of government subsidies that helped 4.7 million people buy insurance on HealthCare.gov are not legal under the Affordable Care Act.
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The question is: will Roberts ignore the facts and redefine the incentive?
That $112 B/C monthly plan was a bare-bones plan and high deductible (figure $5000 a year in those days). The problem is that the administration got into defining what was bare-bones and the new minimum of gov’t health plans. That one twist in the whole saga is what drove almost all plans to go beyond reason.
Once you hit $800 a month for a family, and $6000 a year on deductible....it’s beyond the normal middle-class family who makes $50,000 a year.
What if our side reacted to the R-word like it's the N-word? With shock, outrage, indignation at the ignorant and bigoted user of the R-word.
“And you imagine the Congress is going to pass that?”
I would bet that, somewhere in the ACA, is hidden provision that allows the president to declare the federal government has the right to do it. Or, he’ll sign an Executive Order.
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I live in GA, which did not create an exchange. I saw my dr. yesterday. He said Obamacare is working great in GA, & that during the next open enrollment I should sign up.
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‘This disturbing detail would be enough to convince me to switch to a new doctor.’
I was quite surprised. He is as strongly against Obama as any person I’ve ever met. He was formerly just as exercised against Obamacare. What caused his turnaround, I gather, is that he signed up & his rates went down. I guess if he is really saving a few bucks it’s hard to be as bombastic as he used to be. Still wondering about the whole episode, though. It took me aback.
That $112 B/C monthly plan was a bare-bones plan and high deductible (figure $5000 a year in those days). “
No, you didn’t read what I said. It was a $250, not $5,000, deductible. I knew of no plans that had a $5k deductible.
It is nothing but liberal propaganda that there were no affordable medical plans and I am not going to let you repeat such propaganda here.
Affordable health care plans existed, regardless of the propaganda the liberals stated every day. ANYONE could afford $112.
‘Personally, I’d rather deal with the IRS over the penalty.’
I’m going to work hard at getting an exemption from that. I read a list somewhere of all the reasons you can use for an exemption. Should be possible somehow, with sufficient effort, to wriggle out of it, it seems to me.
There are 11 active judges in the D.C. Circuit.
There are only 11 active judges in the D.C. Circuit.
Conflicting judgments from courts as cited on msn
A three-judge panel unanimously said the law was ambiguous, and that it would defer to the IRS’s determination that subsidies could go to individuals who purchased health insurance on both federal and state-run exchanges.
A separate panel from a federal appeals court in Washington on Tuesday morning said the IRS could not offer premium tax credits to people who purchase insurance through the federal insurance marketplace that serves most of the 8 million consumers who have signed up for private coverage for 2014.
Based on the equal protection clause of the constitution, wouldn't Obamacare then become, by definition, unconstitutional because it treats citizens in some states differently than others?
keyboard spew alert
I'm interested in how Rush gets out of it.
He's said on the show that he didn't buy a policy and he's going to file for a "hardship" exemption, but that seems awfully shaky to me.
1% of income is a big number for Rush.
I bet he secretly bought a bronze plan, just to avoid the penalty. (It's a lot cheaper than 1% of his income.).
BTW the Halbig decision in effect eliminates the penalty for those making less than 400% of fed poverty level (approx 45,000 for indiv, $95,000 for family) in states with no state exchange. (See Post #194.)
obamacare is like the evil villain in a hrorror movie.
I won’t believe it’s dead until its been dismemembered, stomped, beheaded, driven over, and lit on fire. And even then its probably not dead. But one can always hope.
You’re right that the “scrivener’s error” argument shouldn’t fly, but that wouldn’t stop the Supreme Court from relying on it. Again, if Roberts wanted to knock down Obamacare, it would have happened already.
Obama's response was what he usually does, ignore the law and issue a dictatorial diktat.
If a higher court overturns this ruling in the name of protecting Obama and essentially ignoring the law as passed, then they are basically saying that Congress has no authority anymore. By extension, they would be ruling that the people no longer have any constitutional expectation of representation.
-PJ
The entire DC Circuit is going to overturn this, people.
Most? All of Obamacare is illegal.
If he dad to pay a fine, the max would be the average price of a bronze plan for his age. Maybe something like $5500 or so..
dad = had
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