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Was Flight MH-17 Diverted Over Restricted Airspace? [graphics at link]
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-17/was-flight-mh-17-diverted-over-restricted-airspace ^

Posted on 07/18/2014 4:30:53 AM PDT by Perdogg

While there are various questions that have already emerged from what was supposed to be Ukraine's "slam dunk" proof confirming Russian rebel involvement in today's MH-17 tragedy, perhaps one just as gaping question emerges when one looks at what is clearly an outlier flight path in today's final, and tragic, departure of the Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777.

Perhaps the best visualization of what the issue is, comes from Vagelis Karmiros who has collated all the recent MH-17 flight paths as tracked by Flightaware and shows that while all ten most recent paths pass safely well south of the Donetsk region, and cross the zone above the Sea of Azov, it was only today's tragic flight that passed straight overhead Donetsk.

(Excerpt) Read more at zerohedge.com ...


TOPICS: Russia
KEYWORDS: mh17; ukraine
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1 posted on 07/18/2014 4:30:53 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

It is an oddity. A question that begs for an answer.

You will be flamed for this even though it comes from the WSJ.


2 posted on 07/18/2014 4:36:17 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Perdogg

I did wonder if it was deliberately taken off course when I read about the pilot. They may want to check out all of those Malaysian pilots.


3 posted on 07/18/2014 4:39:30 AM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: Perdogg
Reports I've seen suggest that there were major airlines taking routes similar to the one that the downed aircraft took.If true this would take the airline and the crew off the hook blame-wise.Also,what instructions,if any,did air traffic control give to this aircraft?
4 posted on 07/18/2014 4:39:34 AM PDT by SayNoToDems (Will the dancing Hitlers please wait in the wings? We're only seeing singing Hitlers.)
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To: Perdogg

It flew a more northerly path due to a big storm over it’s usual route. It flew 2 “air highways” farther north to avoid the storm. One of the news networks overlaid the flight path with the weather radar screen, which clearly showed the storm. It was not flying over restricted airspace.


5 posted on 07/18/2014 4:44:29 AM PDT by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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To: Perdogg
Well this begs some questions.

It was under Ukrainian Air Traffic control at the time I believe. This could turn out to be another TWA Flight 800.

6 posted on 07/18/2014 4:55:32 AM PDT by McGruff (Denial: It's Not Just a River in Egypt)
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To: Perdogg

I am sure the Soros/Obama/EU Ukraine supporters on here already have a link to an NBC story that refutes this report...am I right?

If Russian backed rebels only have shoulder rocket launchers...then Ukraine has a lot of ‘splaining to do


7 posted on 07/18/2014 5:02:30 AM PDT by DisorderOnBorder (They are Illegal Aliens...not immigrants)
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To: McGruff

I figured we’d have a Putin butt-kisser all over this in record time - too bad for you someone injected reality in post 5 before your post 6.


8 posted on 07/18/2014 5:14:18 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: libertylover

I don’t think the issue is whether the airspace was totally restricted at all altitudes, rather the point is that prudent airlines had already taken deliberate steps to reroute flights away from an active war zone where combatant aircraft had recently been shot down at lower altitudes. It has been reported that there was already a 32,000 foot minimum, which if true establishes that civil aviation did perceive a threat from the active war zone.


9 posted on 07/18/2014 5:14:33 AM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: JudyinCanada

they are all members of the Religion of Peace....


10 posted on 07/18/2014 5:16:50 AM PDT by B212
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To: Perdogg

Another thing. This incident has some eerie similarities to the Syrian WMD thing. Now that we know it was ISIS who is on the rebel side in Syria, we can “get it” that the WMD use could have been easily either side. Both sides lie and stink. The rebel side wanted US intervention. McCain did too.(just an aside)

Nothing is really as it seems, especially when conclusions are made in haste.

I have no idea who is behind this plane crash, but it isn’t really all that clear yet as to who benefits most. Or else it was a case of a bunch of morons playing with missiles thinking they got another one. Yee hah.

Either way, what are we to do about it. No, what will Obama do about it? he should be able to see that his lack of interest seems rather curious.


11 posted on 07/18/2014 5:17:29 AM PDT by dforest
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To: DisorderOnBorder
Why are You Evil Putin KGB groupies still allowed to spread your Lies here ,

These Russian military scum were caught red handed bragging about shooting this plane down!
The Russian army held hostage the Ukraine army in this region and the Crimea and have these anti aircraft missiles to the Russian military swat teams and paid mercenaries posing as rebels .

Why do you think you lying scum can post lies here!

12 posted on 07/18/2014 5:20:13 AM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: Perdogg
Why post this crap..

The Airline already answered this question yesterday!

They went this route because they wanted to save fuel and Money!

The Airlines run by the Govt and they had not banned this route because they are a Neutral state .

No one thought the Russian military and its paid mercenaries would go this far.

Putin is a sick KGB sociopath and so is everyone around him!

13 posted on 07/18/2014 5:26:00 AM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: Perdogg

I think I saw this morning that 33,000 feet was not restricted air space. It is now.


14 posted on 07/18/2014 5:27:36 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: McGruff
This could turn out to be another TWA Flight 800.

TWA Flight 800 happened July 17, 1996.

This happened July 17, 2014.

Just a coincidence...

15 posted on 07/18/2014 5:28:47 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: ncalburt

“They went this route because they wanted to save fuel and Money!”

I guess that didn’t work out so well for either stated goal.


16 posted on 07/18/2014 5:29:37 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: McGruff

I wonder who was on it. Anyone of special importance to someone important?


17 posted on 07/18/2014 5:30:15 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: DisorderOnBorder

Another Lefty troll

Joined june 25,2014 and posting Putin groupie propaganda !


18 posted on 07/18/2014 5:32:51 AM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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19 posted on 07/18/2014 5:34:52 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: dforest
Nothing is really as it seems, especially when conclusions are made in haste. I have no idea who is behind this plane crash, but it isn’t really all that clear yet as to who benefits most.

Well said. "Cui bono?" is always the question, but cannot be answered at this point. I do not see any way that Russia might benefit from deliberately shooting down a civilian airliner. Ukraine might benefit if Russia could be blamed for it, as the new Kiev regime is shaky and desperately wants Western intervention. But I think the most likely explanation is that separatist rebels mistook this airliner for a Ukrainian Air Force transport (like the AN-24 they recently shot down) and took it out with a captured SA-17 system that they aren't fully familiar with. Eventually, we might learn what really happened.

20 posted on 07/18/2014 5:35:43 AM PDT by Always A Marine
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