Posted on 07/16/2014 9:01:31 AM PDT by wagglebee
“We have lost marriage, but we might just win on abortion..”
I think we end up winning on both in the long run. As long as the state continues to expand its views of secular marriage to include homosexuality, polygamy and miscellaneous barnyard animals, it cheapens the idea of secular marriage. Religious marriage on the other hand doesn’t suffer from that and as your post noted, it’s becoming a luxury good. I foresee a future where people aspire to religious marriage but skip the license.
I smell Margaret Sanger.
“They would like to get married, someday, but for a large portion that will be impossible because of the cut in benefits, willing partners, etc.”
The big issue is the cut in benefits and for workers, the tax hike. Both of which can be avoided by skipping the license and doing the religious ceremony instead. Married in the eyes of God, but not the state.
Suicide by mod. It’s one thing to point out the horrible math that is causing the pro infanticide crowd to lose. Quite another to advocate expanding it.
Winning at all costs soon becomes winning at any cost. No thanks.
That’s really odd. Rare to see an old timer decide to commit suicide by mod. I remember another...must have been a year ago. Went and started posting pro infanticide screeds all of a sudden. Seems like a sad way to go. If you want off the site, just ask.
Margaret Sanger was a genocidal maniac.
I’ve seen it a few times. I was not familiar with Fee, but from seeing the conversations
with him, and about his behavior here, I would say it was self immolation.
He signed up only about a month after I did, but I never met him before this thread.
God is not pleased. I don't think there's a big enough millstone or a lake for those who are pro choice baby killers.
571,950 deaths from cancer were projected to occur in the U.S. in 2011.
I don't know how accurate the prediction was but abortionists kill more people than Doctors, then again, they are Doctors, so was Mengele and he killed less people.
I'm sure the Klan is happy that more black babies are murdered, stand tall with your Klan brethren!
“...the pro-choice crowd has no rear guard. They killed them.”
This is true, to a large extent. Not to mention all the women who didn’t have children at all, even if they didn’t have abortions.
Infanticide is wrong, no matter how you slice it. Our old friend Fee should know that no one is a born leftist. People are force-indoctrinated into that un-natural viewpoint by others. They don't deserve to die for having been born into ignorance.
I agree with you, however, as this good news article explains, Even liberals as a political body aren’t united in support of abortion, because as Michaelson admits, “Abortion is a kind of murder.”. That WILL be the ultimate end of the state of abortion we have today - on demand, for any reason, at any time prior to birth. I believe that, just as the pictures of the death camps from WWII exposed the stark reality of what was going on in those places and compelled the world to get involved and end it, the more the truth about abortion is exposed, the more people will get their collective heads out of the sand and face the truth of human life being snuffed out in brutal ways. There was a big hoopla over banners being flown behind small planes and billboards displaying the remains of aborted babies and people were shocked by the gruesome truth of what goes on in those killing rooms every single day. Well, we need MORE of that so that complacency is replaced by determination to stop the practice.
The Roe v. Wade decision was fatally flawed in many ways but the one which stood out the most to me was the idea that the innocent human life could be ended based on "exceptions" such as rape or incest. I don't think many pro-life people would state abortion is NEVER to take place, because there are the very rare times when the mother WILL die unless the pregnancy is stopped. It solely would be because if the mother dies, so will the baby (i.e., ectopic pregnancy). Other than these rare situations, claiming rape, incest, mental or financial "health" of the mother does not cancel out the right to life of the child - who had nothing to do with how he/she was conceived.
Roe v. Wade started out as calling for legal abortion for cases of rape or incest. But, we see that this was the camel's nose in the tent and, because the right to life of the child could be put aside because of the circumstances of his conception, his "personhood" was removed from the argument and it was a short jump to the Doe vs. Bolton decision, which allowed abortion for the life or health of the mother and then defined "health" as not only physical, but emotional, financial, psychological and, even, the age of the mother. These are those "loopholes" you mentioned and you are right, the supposed restrictions on abortions based on the trimester breakdown get thrown out the window when a woman finds a "doctor" to agree to the abortion - and these physicians are more than eager to do them (it's a lucrative field)- finding whatever reason they can to justify doing it. Nowadays, even asking for a reason is perfunctory.
I deeply pray for the time when abortion becomes UNTHINKABLE - when we get to that point, it won't NEED to be illegal. Maybe yet in my lifetime!
ALL innocent human life is precious - even the Dem ones!
We agree, Windflier.
No human being who has been murdered in the womb deserved to die.
Thanks for the reply ,, funny ,, the same link worked when I sent it to you... guess it was a cut/paste error..
The number of abortions DOES go up and down every year, and I believe the current rate is about 1.3 to 1.4 MILLION dead babies per year in the United States. This works out to one death EVERY 24 SECONDS. Keep in mind that more American die from abortion EACH YEAR than have died in ALL of the wars America has fought COMBINED. More Americans die from abortion EACH DAY than died in the terror attacks of 9/11/01. More Black Americans die from abortion EACH DAY than have died from racial crimes since the end of the Civil War until now.
This means that abortion is not only the NUMBER ONE CAUSE OF DEATH IN THE UNITED STATES, it kills more Americans than cancer, heart disease, lung disease and strokes COMBINED.
Worldwide, there have been AT LEAST 1.3 BILLION abortions since 1980. This works out to more deaths than all of the wars, famines, plagues, natural disasters, acts of genocide, and crime in the HISTORY OF THE WORLD COMBINED.
Here is an “abortion clock” (kind of like the death clock). Be aware that California DOES NOT report the number of abortions annually, so the estimate for that state is typically on the low end. Also, chemical abortions are not always reported.
http://www.numberofabortions.com/
Here is one example. Now, illegitimate births are higher now, but they were not as low as we like to think they were 200 years ago. This site suggest it was about 37% or so of first births were before marriage. There are many other sites with similar information on the net. Ran into this researching family history, when I noticed a lot of births before marriage.
For the shows, I remember Dr Quincy MD (also had a man getting a trans-gender surgery), some of the soaps my Mom watched (for some reason I think Falcon Crest, but since I never paid close attention I may be wrong). These would have been in the early 1980’s or so. General Hospital had a few episodes about it, as did a number of sit coms I can't remember the name of.
I do remember my Dad telling me about what abortion really was after one of those shows.
Thanks for your patience. Typing on a phone sucks.
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