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Widow of man shot in theater ‘for texting’ hits out at judge after ‘shooter’ released
UK DailyMail online ^ | 11 July 2014 | By ALEX GREIG and SNEJANA FARBEROV

Posted on 07/13/2014 10:21:09 AM PDT by Albion Wilde

Bail was set at $150,000 for the release of Curtis Reeves, 71, accused of second-degree murder in the shooting death of Chad Oulson, 43

Appeals court ruled that a district judge may have made an error by failing to set bail for Reeves

Reeves shot and killed Oulson at a movie theater in January after a dispute over text messaging

The former police captain must stay home, wear an ankle monitor, surrender his guns and avoid contact with victim's widow

'We are flooded, we are devastated,' said lawyer representing Nicole Oulson after news of Reeves' impending release

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: cop; curtisreeves; donutwatch; floridashooter; nicoleoulson; oulson; police; reeves; shooter; texting; theatershooter
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To: DariusBane

Good point.
The only reason they’re defending this guy is because he’s an ex-cop.
The guy would have already been sentenced and in prison, were he a regular *citizen*, and not one of the King’s former officers.


221 posted on 07/14/2014 1:01:26 PM PDT by FBD
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To: William Tell; smokingfrog
I use copious amounts of salt on my popcorn. How would you like it if I threw salt in your eyes under similar circumstances?

Good God, you're actually defending this murderer after he shot to death an unarmed person?

Do you have any idea what they'd do to anyone else who did this, who didn't happen to be a former agent of the government?

222 posted on 07/14/2014 1:06:50 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: morphing libertarian; Albion Wilde
I can see by your conclusion you are lacking in analytical skill.

You accidentally posted your internal monologue to Albion Wilde...

223 posted on 07/14/2014 1:16:51 PM PDT by kiryandil (making the jests that some FReepers aren't allowed to...)
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To: FBD; DariusBane
The only reason they’re defending this guy is because he’s an ex-cop.

This is inordinately clear.

I'm trying to imagine being in a movie theater and having a argument with another theater patron....Then shooting him to death in front of everyone, claiming self defense because he tossed some popcorn on me.

224 posted on 07/14/2014 1:27:15 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: FBD

Somewhere I get the feeling that Curtis Reeves’ attorney is going to try to pull a Lewinski:

http://sfist.com/2014/07/11/expert_in_andy_lopez_shooting_also.php


225 posted on 07/14/2014 1:34:20 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Hulka

The officer was standing up when Reeves returned to the aisle. He didn’t see a firearm, nor did the Oulsons or Reeves’ wife. Reeves was polite when he squeezed past the officer and there was no hint of anger on Reeves’ part. I’m not ascribing anything to the officer other than what he observed directly. He did suggest that he was more observant than most.

Reeves’ politeness could have been learned behavior. IOW, perhaps he could have still been angry. In that case he was responding in accordance with his LEO training.

I’m not assigning any more value to the officer’s testimony other than he was being consciously observant.


226 posted on 07/14/2014 2:53:29 PM PDT by meatloaf
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To: FBD

I don’t know about the heavily trained. Many states have codified the right not to have to retreat before reacting to a threat. I’ve never heard of that in WV. You screw with someone, as in threaten their life, and you defend yourself. I don’t know of any incident of true self defense, that a prosecutor decided to go legal in this state.

I could be wrong, but the few incidents where charges were filed were situations in which there was reason to indict and try.


227 posted on 07/14/2014 2:58:36 PM PDT by meatloaf
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To: dragnet2
dragnet2 said: "Good God, you're actually defending this murderer after he shot to death an unarmed person? "

Good God, you're actually defending this attacker after he assaulted who he thought was an unarmed person?

Answer me this: Have you ever had any stranger throw an object into your face? What would you believe would be the purpose of such an attack? This idiot wanted a response. He was begging for a response. He hoped to punish a man in his seventies with a severe beating at the very least.

Tell me, did the attacker commit a felony or not? Was the action of taking the ex-cops popcorn by force and flinging it at him a crime?

If somebody is willing to commit such a crime before witnesses, what would convince you that the crime was going to end with just the robbery and assault? Or was the attacker going to punch the old man into unconsciousness and leave the theater? How much of a reaction from the ex-cop would have generated just such a response?

228 posted on 07/14/2014 3:13:35 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: dragnet2

“I’m trying to imagine being in a movie theater and having a argument with another theater patron....Then shooting him to death in front of everyone, claiming self defense because he tossed some popcorn on me.”

Agreed. This is going to be an uphill argument. You would have to do a lot more than throw popcorn on me to get me to draw a weapon. Most people who CC will go to great lengths to avoid confrontation. Like move to another row in the theater which would have been the first thing that I would have thought of.

I think there is more to it than a little popcorn. The ex cop has a chip on his shoulder about authority. He still thinks he’s a cop. He still wants to tell people what to do.


229 posted on 07/14/2014 3:34:59 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: William Tell
Have you ever had any stranger throw an object into your face?

?? What? Of course I've had things tossed at me, been in fights etc...

Did I shoot anyone to death? Of course not. There would be a trail of dead victims a block long....Gezzzz

Tell me, did the attacker commit a felony or not?

Good grief...Ya think if they just had an argument and pop corn was tossed, any jury on the planet would convict either one of a GD "felony"?"

Get real buddy.

You seem extremely desperate here in your defense of this murdering cold blooded chicken s**t.

230 posted on 07/14/2014 3:55:27 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: William Tell
Tell me, did the attacker commit a felony or not? Was the action of taking the ex-cops popcorn by force and flinging it at him a crime?

BTW, there was no felony here and no jury would ever convict either one of a felony if all there had been was a common verbal dispute with pop corn being tossed.

People don't get convicted of felonies and or sent to state prison over minor disputes/arguments where no one was even injured. Only a lunatic judge would ever convict someone of a felony and send them to state prison over something like this.

The only felon here was older man who shot to death the totally unarmed younger man.

231 posted on 07/14/2014 4:10:54 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

The shooter left the movie theater, got his gun out of the car, returned to the theater, and re-started the argument. He finally pushed, pushed, pushed until he got what he wanted. He got a reaction. Then shot the man.

Pre-meditated murder. Pathetic.

When carrying my weapon, I am the least likely to get into an altercation of any kind. Because of the responsibility of carrying. A legal and a moral responsibility.

This old cop wanted to shoot somebody. He did it with his wife sitting next to him. What an inexplicably horrible person.


232 posted on 07/14/2014 4:22:32 PM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deco et Vives)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Thank God most with those permits have a bit more common sense and critical thought going on and would avoid opening up on some unarmed patron a crowded movie theater, over a minor, rather common public dispute/argument.

There are probably 25,000 arguments and disputes per day between strangers in public, people flipping others off etc....Most end it by walking away, some even get physical to some extent.

Very few end with one party opening up and shooting to death an unarmed person in public. And the perpetrator usually has a violent history, who's been in the system, in the joint, on parole etc...

This was not an armed robbery or armed assault by any stretch of the imagination.

233 posted on 07/14/2014 4:24:51 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: DariusBane
The shooter left the movie theater, got his gun out of the car, returned to the theater, and re-started the argument. He finally pushed, pushed, pushed until he got what he wanted. He got a reaction. Then shot the man.

That's what I *speculated* when I first reviewed the story, after reading the shooter, prior to the shooting, had left his seat for a while, supposedly to speak with a manager.

And that is exactly what ya should do if your packing to defend. In fact, this is what everyone should do even if you're not.

Ya never know who you're dealing with in public, what their state of mind is etc.

234 posted on 07/14/2014 4:39:51 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: kiryandil
"...the fact that mere peasants who conceal-carry are required to retreat from confrontations..."

I don't know what state you were trained in, and it might be a good personal policy to retreat when possible, but most states do not have a legal obligation to retreat from a deadly threat. Most states are Stand Your Ground states.

Even in those that aren't, the duty to retreat applied only as long as it can be done in safety.

235 posted on 07/14/2014 4:53:25 PM PDT by mlo
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To: dragnet2

Yes if I shot everyone who ticked me off in a public place I would have to reload every few minutes. :-)


236 posted on 07/14/2014 5:14:30 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: William Tell

Which State Bar are you a member of?


237 posted on 07/14/2014 5:22:07 PM PDT by sport
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I humor myself with traffic day dreams of a cannon mounted to my hood...Of course I’d need a 40’ trailer to drag around all the cannon balls.


238 posted on 07/14/2014 5:39:18 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

LOL!


239 posted on 07/14/2014 6:12:47 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: dragnet2
I humor myself with traffic day dreams of a cannon mounted to my hood...

LOL... And I dream of a roof-mounted neon sign where I could post tweets, like "QUIT TAILGATING".

240 posted on 07/14/2014 6:24:49 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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