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To: MacNaughton
7 Agreed, I don’t like how our country has handled the recent deployments but we can’t go to burying our heads in the ground either...we are, like it or not, the worlds peace keepers. Look at the price of Obamao’s inaction around the world already for examples and it can only get worse. Not saying that military action is the one and only choice but we do need a strong military to back up our words.

Sun-Tzu wrote in The Art of War (paraphrased) "No nation prospers from prolonged warfare."

All well and good.  Now, tell me, does any nation prosper that allows it's allies to be picked off one by one, or allows it's enemies to solidify positions across vast expanses of territory consuming multiple nations in the process?  The answer is no.    

The U.S. lost a 10 year war in Vietnam.

We did not lose the war.  We simply refused to win it.  Nixon's bombing had the North on the ropes multiple times.  Each time the Democrat Congress demanded a cease-fire thus allowing the North to resupply and structure their war machine.

The U.S. lost a 10 year war in Iraq (Gulf II) and is on its way to doing the same in Afghanistan.  

The U. S. did not lose a ten year war in Iraq.  If some troops had been left in coutnry, as was the sound plan, Iraq wouldn't be in any trouble today.  This was a warm wet kiss to ISIS, from Barack Obama.  Do you remember back last year, when Obama wanted to supply the al Qaeda faction in Syria?  What do you want to bet that ISIS wasn't funded and armed by the United States?  It's my perception this is exactly what happened.
 

The U.S. barely prevailed against the USSR in the 44 year Cold War.

One nation became the economic power-house for the planet, and the other melted down.  How is that barely winning the Cold War?

The U.S. was united during WWII in a way it has rarely been since - maybe 2001-2004. It fought and won WWII, on 2 fronts (with it Allies) in ~ 3.75 years after Pearl Harbor. The demographics and economics have changed so much since WWII, and not in the direction of national unity. POTUS #43 GWB was correct that the war against jihad terror would be a long 1, but wrong in his goal to bring democracy to a Muslim nation. The U.S. people don't have the temperament to get the job done today. Jihad will come again to the U.S., but in a bigger, more terrifying way. POTUS #44 BHO has subverted our nation with Islamics in every corner of the federal government.

When we start waxing rhapsodic about the futility of turning a naton like Iraq pro Western, we need to look no further than Iran to see that it is entirely possible.  If not for Jimmy Cater, we would have an Iran today that was pro Western, and anti Terrorist.  Instead we have just the opposite.  Jordan has been pro-Western for decades.  Althought it's populace is a wild card, the government of Saudi Arabia has been largely pro-Western as well.  

Barack Obama is doing his best to turn every nation in that region into an enemy of the United States.

“Financially it is ruinous. Morally it is wicked. Militarily it is an open question, and politically it is a blunder.”

The U.S. should have made an agreement with Maliki early on to cover our expenses.  We didn't.  That was a massive blunder.  I can't help it if Bush was an idiot..

The above quote was written by Winston Churchill in a private letter to his mother, Jennie Randolph Churchill, 10/21/1897, regarding his assessment of the British Malakand Field Force punitive expedition against the indigenous Pushtan tribal uprising in the Hindu Kush along the borders of Afghanistan, India, and the future nation of Pakistan. Churchill was 22 years of age and a veteran of this campaign as a subaltern in the cavalry. This is the same area in which U.S./NATO troops faught Muslim mujhadien (the great-great grandchildren of Churchill’s enemies) from 2001-2014 – America’s longest war.


We are going to confront Islam somewhere.  The quesiton for folks is this.  Do we fight it in foreign lands, or do we fight it in downtown New York, Boston, Chicago, Atlanta, Dallas, Denver, and Los Angeles?

We need to be much more vigilant here at home.  I think we all know that.  As for foreign lands, they are our business.  Allowing an entity like ISIS to solidify a position in Iraq and beyond is out of the question.

Yes this is the United State's longest war.  It is also the war with the least amount of casualties.


If this battle is not fought, we will lose millions at home.  Europe will crumble.  We will then have Russia, China, and a massive Kalifate that will all be against us..

Please try to remember what brought this all on.  At the time we had no troops in the Middle-Eest.  Even if that is the model you wish to return to, I cannot join you.


18 posted on 06/25/2014 11:36:40 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
18 Please try to remember what brought this all on. At the time we had no troops in the Middle-Eest. Even if that is the model you wish to return to, I cannot join you.

You and I are not in opposition to 1 another. Obviously we want a conservative U.S. to prevail for posterity. My main point is the nature of the American citizenry - short attention span.

Every explanation you give for keeping U.S. boots on the ground, I can counter that the Democrat Party will sell us out over the long run. South Vietnam - Teddy Kennedy, Shah of Iran - Jimmy Carter, Mumbarak/Egypt - Obama, Qaddafi/Libya - Obama, Malaki/Iraq - Obama, Afghanistan - Obama, USSR? - think back to the Democrat Party of FDR and during the 1970s - they nearly cost us the Cold War but for the exeptional timing, courage and wisdom of RWR. The communists captured the Democrat Party from within in 1972. The Democrat Party cannot be trusted to do the right thing and defend the U.S. against Islamists. It is a grim scenario.

Yes, the U.S. will have to take an even greater hit than 9/11 on American soil before we can regain the momentum against Islam - but whether we will prevail is unclear at this moment. Obama has effectively split this country in 2 along racial/class lines. I don't see this nation retaing its superpower ability. History doesn't give many examples, if any, of nations pulling out of deep econommic decline after having attained status as a world power. As the TEA Party members age and die, the Gen X's and Millenials are just too brainwashed by public education to "keep the Republic". Whites are projected to become 50% of the population by 2040 - probably sooner after the 2014 Central American invasion of the U.S.

It is truly grim. I haven't given up, but I am dispirited. Even more major changes loom on the horizon - "Something Wicked This Way Comes".

21 posted on 06/25/2014 1:01:32 PM PDT by MacNaughton (Marcus Tullius Cicero: "A nation ... cannot survive treason from within.")
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